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Frum is frightened for the GOP
World Mag ^ | 11/17/08 | Alisa Harria

Posted on 11/17/2008 12:45:44 PM PST by pissant

Harrison spoke about the descent of intellectual conservatism. Here’s another example of it in David Frum’s resignation from National Review. Like some other conservative intellectuals, Frum criticized the Palin pick this election. After seeing fellow National Reviewers Kathleen Parker eviscerated for the same offense, Frum followed Chris Buckley’s lead and resigned from National Review writing.

In a New York Times interview, he said a little distance will help people keep their heads:

I am really and truly frightened by the collapse of support for the Republican Party by the young and the educated … The answers to the Republican dilemma are not obvious and we need a vibrant discussion. I think a little more distance can help everybody do a better job of keeping their temper.

I think intolerance for dissent—exactly the kind that Parker, Frum and Buckley experienced—may be perpetuating the dilemma. It’s impossible to have a “vibrant discussion” when someone who offers a dissenting view is told they should have been aborted, like Parker was. This intolerance especially repulses the young (not known for cherishing orthodoxy) and the educated (who presumably like “vibrant discussion”).

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2008; bho2008; davidfrum; gop; mccain; rebuilding
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Yes, you should be frightened about the GOP's future. It is reaping the rewards of sissification you helped sow, Mr. Frum. With any luck, a conservative party will rise from the ashes.
1 posted on 11/17/2008 12:45:45 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Frum, Parker and Buckley broke the 11th Commandment. There’s no room for them here.


2 posted on 11/17/2008 12:48:01 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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I am really and truly frightened by the collapse of support for the Republican Party by the young and the educated

They are no longer "educated", they are INDOCTRINATED! We know that those grand socialist schemes do not work; they don't.

3 posted on 11/17/2008 12:50:12 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: AmericanGirlRising

Well, there certainly isn’t room in the conservative movement for folks who get tingly when they hear Obama speak. I’m sure the GOP big tent can still accommodate them though


4 posted on 11/17/2008 12:50:30 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: JimRed

Well, they’re about to get a crash course in reality. It seems that a lot of folks are sorely in need of one.


5 posted on 11/17/2008 12:50:56 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: pissant

It seems those always demanding tolerance from others are the least willing to display it themselves.


6 posted on 11/17/2008 12:51:11 PM PST by jennyjenny
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To: pissant

How does one get the title “conservative intellectual” bestowed upon one?

Or, as I suspect, are they self-annointed?

In any case, this joker seems more like a “Republicrat pseudo-intellectual” to me.


7 posted on 11/17/2008 12:51:57 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: pissant

These people got what they wanted. They wanted McCain, they wanted his moderate positions, they wanted him to reach out to Hispanics— MCCAIN DID EVERYTHING THEY WANTED.

And now that we’ve been whooped using THEIR strategy— they jump ship as if it was OUR fault!!! LOL these people...


8 posted on 11/17/2008 12:53:16 PM PST by exist
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To: pissant

Get lost, Frum & Co. You know the old saying, “the cowards never started, and the weak died along the way.”

So long, mushy RINO weaklings.


9 posted on 11/17/2008 12:53:30 PM PST by Cecily
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The only vibrant discussion we need is how do we convince the young and educated of the need to rein in government.

Palin was up for that discussion, Buckley wasn’t. From doesn’t know up from down.


10 posted on 11/17/2008 12:53:46 PM PST by DManA
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Well, they’re about to get a crash course in reality. It seems that a lot of folks are sorely in need of one.

Yes indeed, reality is a harsh mistress, and when scorned and ignored, she turns into a 100% fatal b*tch. The good news is, America has chosen to self-cull the stupid, dishonest, and delusional from its ranks by allowing the stupid, dishonest, and delusion to run it. The good news is, we're about to have a lot of parking free up...
11 posted on 11/17/2008 12:54:12 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: WayneS

If you believe in a “woman’s right to choose”, have never fired more than a squirt gun and have no understanding of the 2A, run around in tassled loafers to cocktail parties, and consider Bible believers to be ill informed hicks, than you qualify as an intellectual.


12 posted on 11/17/2008 12:54:50 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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Frum was worried about his status with the elite in DC—especially the dinner parties. Now he is assured of many requests to be the Republican voice on a myriad of talkshows. Good riddance, Frum and while you’re at it, why not become an Independent, too.


13 posted on 11/17/2008 12:55:29 PM PST by Watershed
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Why dump on Palin, who was elected statewide and had a 85 % approval rating, and say virtually nothing about the alchoholic , barely coherent VP -elect Biden or the exotic foreigner at the top of the ticket?

Why pick a fight like that in the middle of a campaign? Why is Frum such a twit?

14 posted on 11/17/2008 12:55:31 PM PST by Nonstatist
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"I am really and truly frightened by the collapse of support for the Republican Party by the young and the educated."

What Frum should have wrote:

I am really and truly frightened by the collapse of support for the Republican Party by the indoctrinated youth young and those educated beyond their intelligence level the educated

15 posted on 11/17/2008 12:55:33 PM PST by Azzurri
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The intellectualism isn't the problem it is the lack of a clear message that people can follow/really get behind. I know there are some that like to rip on others for “usen dem big werds” but to say that stupidity reigns as the argument simply doesn't hold true.

Palin wasn't the problem, McCain was. If he could have put together a good enough story and articulated in a way that inspired competence then the ticket would have done better.

16 posted on 11/17/2008 12:56:12 PM PST by misterrob (Smooth talkers win at singles bars and in politics .. often with similar outcomes for the listener)
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To: pissant

The intelligent voter will soon realize how stupid his intelligent vote was


17 posted on 11/17/2008 12:56:24 PM PST by woofie
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To: pissant; AmericanGirlRising; JimRed; WOSG; Terpfen; misterrob
Comment #6 under the article: BY Thomas 11.17.08 AT 11:47 AM
As a Democrat, watching the circular firing squad that the GOP has become is quite entertaining.

They don't care if we're fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, RINOs, CINOs or bluebloods....as long as we're all fighting each other.

18 posted on 11/17/2008 12:57:40 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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See though, they broke Reagan’s 11th by stabbing the GOP ticket in the back right before the election.

In all three cases - Frum, Parker, Buckley - they’re personal popularity rose significantly in the MSM and their pre-election stabbing at the GOP was used by the left to divide Republicans.

The time for their dissent was in the primaries. If they didn’t like the selection of Palin, they have only McCain to blame. And that blame should’ve started Nov. 5th - not in Sept.

There’s no room in any GOP tent - big or otherwise - for those that seek personal gain in the final days of an election.


19 posted on 11/17/2008 12:58:10 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: AmericanGirlRising

Yabut, Juan started it.


20 posted on 11/17/2008 12:58:31 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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