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Obama, to San Fran Chronicle, January, 2008: " When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal… under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket… even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad, because I’m capping greenhouse gasses, coal power plants, natural gas…you name it…whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retro-fit their operations.

That will cost money…they will pass that money on to the consumers. You can already see what the arguments are going to be during the general election. People will say Obama and Al Gore …these folks...they're going to destroy the economy.

This is going to cost us 8 trillion dollars or whatever their number is. If you can’t persuade the American people that, yes, there is going to be some increase on electricity rates on the front end, but that over the long term, because of combinations of more efficient energy usage and changing light bulbs and more efficient appliances, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy that the economy will benefit. "

1 posted on 01/24/2009 5:59:11 AM PST by flowerplough
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Thus saith President Zero.


2 posted on 01/24/2009 6:03:49 AM PST by A. Morgan (Yikes! Are we in serious trouble, yet, or what?)
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Cap and trade=environmental tax on energy producers
We Marylander already have this thanks to a “Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative”

which is busy staffing its NYC office with high paid liberal activists and lobbyists getting rich on money extorted from OUR utility companies in “carbon auctions”

NO WAY anyone’s electric bills will cost less with these new business operating burdens and regulations ((new taxes) imposed global warming ideologues (who are untouchable via the voting booth, btw)

yet another lie

3 posted on 01/24/2009 6:05:07 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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I’m starting to think Obama’s plan is more nefarious in an outright attempt to bankrupt us completely so we will be prime for Communism or Islam. One of the two.


4 posted on 01/24/2009 6:05:11 AM PST by autumnraine
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Increase security at 90 ports. Ending the WOT by shutting down Gitmo, ending rendition, ending waterboarding.

Why bother with increasing security at 90 ports???


5 posted on 01/24/2009 6:05:39 AM PST by bergmeid (2012 - someone please fast forward.)
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More power lines? Like saying more wheels on my truck saves on gas money... Yet another pork bridge to nowhere. He is no President, he still is a Senate stooge.


6 posted on 01/24/2009 6:06:03 AM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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Economy plan means lower power bills..

That is not only absolute garbage, but one of the biggest and most outright lies that I have ever heard since the National Socialist Workers Party told the Jews that they were going to be “relocated.”

I'm pretty sure that most people will believe this until they actually get an electric bill.

Then the MSM and the DNC will blame us for everything.
The sheep will fall in line.

8 posted on 01/24/2009 6:12:28 AM PST by bill1952 (McCain and the GOP were worthless)
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The costs won't just be on the "front end." Adding 3000 miles of new transmission lines also adds the cost of maintaining those transmission lines, not just the front end installation cost. I'm not saying that we don't need to update the grid. We clearly do, but the notion that this addition of 3000 miles of new transmission lines, plus a doubling of so-called "renewable energy sources", is somehow going to make electricity costs to the consumer go down is pure folly. The larger the grid gets the more it costs to maintain. Those costs are most assuredly passed on to the end consumer.

What I'd like to know is since when is it the Federal Gubmint's responsibility to add anything to the privately owned electrical grid?

9 posted on 01/24/2009 6:12:49 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Government is not the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem - Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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Sounds like the Obamaloon. Cost are gonna go up. Costs are gonna go down. Etc. Typical lib. Math is not their friend.


10 posted on 01/24/2009 6:14:17 AM PST by Da Coyote
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It's power generation plants we need - NOT POWER LINES.

This boondoggle is about awarding very big contracts to big donors to Democrats.

There is no way on Earth to build 3,000 miles of power lines within three years. It won't happen.

11 posted on 01/24/2009 6:18:08 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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If you’re, only, going to get power for 25% of the time, I would hope power bills would go down.


17 posted on 01/24/2009 6:30:13 AM PST by depressed in 06 (Dope in chains, the Chicago way.)
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This title makes sense considering that we’ll all be going back to candles soon when the Obamaconomy kicks in full force.


18 posted on 01/24/2009 6:31:22 AM PST by maclay (SEEKING: Global Warming Alarmist for Martian Terraform Press Secretary)
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Wichita Lineman.


19 posted on 01/24/2009 6:40:14 AM PST by Crawdad (Barack Obama hates black people.)
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Sounds to me like the guy is mired in FDR economics...we are doomed.
20 posted on 01/24/2009 7:03:39 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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I’m beginning to fear that Obama is mentally ill.


21 posted on 01/24/2009 7:13:39 AM PST by pabianice
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Alternative energy, no matter what form will raise electric rates!

He’s a fool, liar, and an idiot!


24 posted on 01/24/2009 7:28:18 AM PST by dalereed
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President Barack Obama on Saturday laid out more pieces of an economic plan he says would add 3,000 miles of electrical lines, increase security at 90 ports and double the United States' renewable energy capacity within three years.

Bullsh!t. Three thousand miles is less than once across America. The real life distribution grid is up and down streets and alleys, across mountain ranges, down country roads with laterals up canyons and across farm fields. Three thousand miles is like spit on a hot sidewalk. It will disappear while you are looking.

Doubling renewable energy capacity in three years ain't gonna happen. It is amazing how the pinhead class thinks that by virtue of an election they are now adequately educated to pontificate on anything and everything. Renewable energy, overall, requires subsidies to keep producers afloat. Eventually the law of diminishing returns catches up to you. Why spend $10 to get $5 worth of energy?

Less than a week of listening to the charlatan, and my head is already to explode.

27 posted on 01/24/2009 8:31:30 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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Let’s review.

We are going to install generation that costs twice as much as conventional technology. We are going to double the installed base from 2% of our power to maybe 4%.

That new generation capacity is highly dispersed across the landscape. To get the power to the market will require massive investment in thousands of miles of new transmission line capacity that is not required with conventional power sources.

And this is going to lower our energy prices. Only a lawyer communist with zero economics or engineering training would believe that. This approach is as likely to lower power prices as having magical unicorns running endlessly on treadmills.


30 posted on 01/24/2009 8:52:48 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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Obama could power the new plants with all of Planned Parenthood’s aborted babies. There’s a renewable resource readily available.


33 posted on 01/24/2009 9:55:33 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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Yeah, right. He's going to push all this construction to accomodate spotty renewable power supply, and yet power bills will go down? Look at where the retail price of power is the lowest - coal country. Why? Because despite the government's best efforts so far, coal is still cheap. Nuclear is inexpensive to operate as well and rivals the best coal plants.

Of course, the government doesn't want either - they want what brings the biggest return from their own private investments. Pelosi's heavily invested in T. Boone Picken's outfit. I'd like to see some of the other Senator's investments.

36 posted on 01/24/2009 12:18:25 PM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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Supposedly his energy plans would save the average household 350.00 a year.... I’ll just pay the extra thirty bucks a month,thanks anyway.


41 posted on 01/24/2009 4:34:52 PM PST by linn37 (cue the circus music the democrats are back in charge)
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