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The government knew that they had a bear problem for a long time and they were negligent.

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1 posted on 01/31/2009 4:25:13 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

Can we get Gore to camp there....now?


2 posted on 01/31/2009 4:26:57 PM PST by Da Coyote
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The Pleasant Grove boy was camping with his family in June 2007 in American Fork Canyon when a black bear pulled him from his tent and killed him.


3 posted on 01/31/2009 4:28:14 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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Should have killed ever bear in the woods to make sure that the people were safe.

$100 billion in punitives against the government, I say.


4 posted on 01/31/2009 4:28:43 PM PST by Brilliant
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Gee whiz, is this not an act of nature? Are bears on the government payroll?


5 posted on 01/31/2009 4:28:43 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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negligent, HOW?

I don’t camp cause of Bears, snakes...my idea of camping is a beachfront luxury hotel...but I don’t see how you can camp “in the wild” and then blame the govt if a bear attacks.


6 posted on 01/31/2009 4:30:09 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (FREE BLAGO !!! LET HIM SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER !!!)
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Though it might not be germane in this case, occurrences like this is the reason to allow private citizens the right to carry weapons in national parks/national forests.
17 posted on 01/31/2009 4:46:50 PM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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KG9's 'Bear-Aware' outdoorsman's tips:

1. If you intend to commune with nature by backpacking across the wilderness of the Western US, Canada, and Alaska, make sure you're armed with a rifle or handgun -- preferably equal or greater than .40 caliber for the rifle, or .44 in the case of the pistol. Don't pack it; shoulder it.

2. Don't sleep on a bear run. If you don't know what a bear run is, ask a ranger or the local sheriff for a description.

3. Don't believe any advice about running downhill away from a pursuing bear. Bears can run in circles up and down a 45-degree angle slope like an Olympic champion, and do it all afternoon. They can also climb trees better than the best human tree-climber can -- outside of a teenager from Guam who can shoot up a tree for a coconut in three seconds. There are no bears in Guam, by the way, so this example is all academic.

4. Playing 'dead' doesn't fool the bears. Playing 'giant porcupine' works lots better, but the suit is a real hassle to hump through the woods.

5. 'Gentle' black bears aren't. All bears, regardless of maturity or type, are equally dangerous. This goes double for badgers, which are just little bears with a hostile 'short guy' attitude problem.

6. Never mind the nonsense about sleeping on the ground and hoisting your food above ground in a tree. Better to sleep in the tree and leave your food on the ground far away for the bears.

7. Make an attempt to tell a local authority -- ranger or sheriff -- about your hiking plans so they know where to find your remains if you choose to ignore item #1.

8. Pepper spray will just make a bear angrier -- just like it does to a typical Los Angeles County resident. You'll never get to that damn pepper spray anyway. You *might* get to your rifle.

9. Bears are silent until you're within striking distance. They already smelled and heard you coming a few hundred yards away. A typical bear's eyesight isn't so good, but they're not Mr. Magoo. They have eyesight good enough to swat your head off your shoulders with deliberate aim.

10. Using an Elk or Deer call to attract game during hunting season has a really good chance to attract a bear instead. In kind, salmon fishing in a 'really good spot' is also where the bears fish.

11. Don't wear fragrances as they attract bears, unless it's Brut, which repels bears as effectively as it repels human females.

12. Don't wipe your hands on your pants. Forget the bears, you'll be in trouble with your mom when you get home.

13. Use a bell or whistle to both alert bears and annoy everyone else within two miles of you.

14. Never travel alone. If you're with a group, you don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun someone else in your group!!!

19 posted on 01/31/2009 4:51:53 PM PST by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
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Boy, I don't know what to say about this one...

On one hand, we are responsible for what we choose to do. On the other hand, a family camping trip shouldn't be a death sentence...

Just curious, how come the Forestry department can send folks looking all over for the troublesome black bear but can't bother to find the time to post warning signs about these black bears?

26 posted on 01/31/2009 5:19:59 PM PST by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: george76
Hard cases make bad law.

On the one hand, I would like to see this become and impetus to sharply reduce the population of bears, deer (which can be dangerous, too) and other wildlife which are increasing in numbers. They're like sacred cows in India!!

Tell the sentimentalists to shut up, and let the hunters cull!

On the other hand, I can't see allowing hikers to sue for dangers they are agreeing to by using the park.

29 posted on 01/31/2009 5:26:32 PM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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We have a bear problem in MA. A growing problem in fact. So they pass laws you cannot shoot them, and send flyers and media advertising to show people how to live with bears. A lady a few towns away found one in her kitchen. It had torn the screen door off the house and was rummaging through the cupboards and refrigerator, and making one heck of a mess. She locked herself upstairs and called animal control. Poor lady could have been mauled if she had been in the kitchen.
30 posted on 01/31/2009 5:29:01 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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The government knew that they had a bear problem for a long time and they were negligent.
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I am familiar with the area.

My husband and I have camped in the **same** campground. It is located less than 5 miles ( as the crow flies) from a **major** metropolitan area on the west. On the east (about 10 miles) is located the towns of Heber, Midway, Charlestown, and Daniels. A hearty person could easily hike to the Sundance resort from the campsite.

This wooded area is crawling with hikers, backpackers, and people enjoying picnics.

The people who introduced **bears** into this populated area are complete IDIOTS!!!

Rational people would remove the bears from this area **before** people are attacked in their backyards or getting of their cars to go into their own home.

37 posted on 01/31/2009 5:42:51 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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There’s bears in the woods? Who knew!!!

I bet they even crap there.

I feel sorry for this family and their loss, but if you go camping in the wilderness you run the risk of meeting up with wild critters. That’s why they call it the wilderness.

The judge should have thrown out this ridiculous lawsuit and fined the family for criminal stupidity.


38 posted on 01/31/2009 5:43:24 PM PST by Ronin
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There’s bears in the woods? Who knew!!!

I bet they even crap there.

I feel sorry for this family and their loss, but if you go camping in the wilderness you run the risk of meeting up with wild critters. That’s why they call it the wilderness.

The judge should have thrown out this ridiculous lawsuit and fined the family for criminal stupidity.


39 posted on 01/31/2009 5:43:25 PM PST by Ronin
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What a crock!! If you stay out of the bears bed he will say out of your!!
60 posted on 01/31/2009 7:05:31 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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The nimrods in the Wisconsin DNR protect black bears by limiting hunting. I propose we take all the black bear lovers and tie them to trees in the forest and rub them with bacon fat.


65 posted on 01/31/2009 8:38:54 PM PST by pankot
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