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800 Billion Reasons To Be Worried (great analysis)
reasononnline ^ | February 10, 2009 | Veronique de Rugy

Posted on 02/12/2009 5:12:19 AM PST by sickoflibs

The Senate stimulus bill should only stimulate taxpayer anger

How bad is the stimulus bill just passed by the Senate? Well, at least as bad as the one passed last week by the House of Representatives, but probably not as bad as the final bill that will land on President Barack Obama’s desk, possibly as soon as the end of this week.

Don't take my word for it. In a report to Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) laid out in plain English—well, economic language—that the Senate bill would eventually cause not a stimulus but a recession in “the longer run.” As CBO’s director Douglas W. Elmendorf wrote on February 4:

At your request, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has conducted an analysis of the macroeconomic impact of the Inouye-Baucus amendment in the nature of a substitute to H.R. 1 [the House stimulus bill]. CBO estimates that this Senate legislation would raise output and lower unemployment for several years, with effects broadly similar to those of H.R. 1 as introduced. In the longer run, the legislation would result in a slight decrease in gross domestic product (GDP) compared with CBO’s baseline economic forecast.

On the CBO’s The Director’s Blog, Elmendorf explains why the Senate legislation would eventually reduce economic output: “The principal channel for this effect is that the legislation would result in an increase in government debt. To the extent that people hold their wealth in the form of government bonds rather than in a form that can be used to finance private investment, the increased government debt would tend to ‘crowd out’ private investment—thus reducing the stock of private capital and the long-term potential output of the economy.”

The CBO’s latest projection for fiscal year 2009’s deficit is that it will reach $1.2 trillion (that’s eleven zeros after the 2) before factoring in any stimulus spending or war spending. That’s 8.3 percent of GDP and far higher than any deficit under President Ronald Reagan in the 1980s (when deficits reached 6 percent of GDP). In fact, you have to go back to World War II to find deficits higher than the projections for FY 2009.

Truly massive deficits won't surprise anyone who has looked at the Senate version of the stimulus bill. Much has been made over the “compromises” and negotiations behind the Senate finally arriving at something that garnered enough support for passage. Here are three large categories of expenditures where senators managed to sort out their differences and find a compromise that they can all live with. If only things were so simple for us taxpayers.

1. Billions of dollars in spending exclusively devoted to benefit federal employees.

$5.5 billion for making federal buildings “green” (including $448 million for the Department of Homeland Security's headquarters)
$198 million to design and furnish the DHS headquarters
$200 million for workplace safety in Department of Agriculture facilities
$75 million for the Smithsonian Institution
$300 million more for hybrid and electric cars for federal employees (see below)
$180 million for construction of Bureau of Land Management facilities
$500 million for wildland fire management
$110 million for construction for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
$522 million for construction for the Bureau of Indian Affairs
$412 million for Centers for Disease Control headquarters
$500 million earmark for National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland
$100 million for constructing U.S. Marshalls office buildings
$300 million for constructing Federal Bureau of Investigation office buildings
$800 million for constructing Federal Prison System buildings and facilities
$307 million for constructing National Institute for Standards and Technology office buildings
$1 billion for administrative costs and construction of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration office buildings
That spending was added to an earlier version of the bill, which also benefited federal employees by splurging on things such as the following:

$600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees
$125 million for the Washington, D.C. sewer system
$75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI
$6 billion to turn federal buildings into “green” buildings
$88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service
$5.5 million for “energy efficiency initiatives” at the Veterans Administration's “National Cemetery Administration”
$60 million for Arlington National Cemetery
$75 million to construct a new “security training” facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies
$110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems
$200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations

2. Wasteful spending that is not directly targeted at federal employees:

Arguably the best item in the Senate bill is a $1,500 tax credit to anyone that purchases “neighborhood electric vehicles”—also known as golf carts. The total estimated cost of that giveback is $300 million. Purchasers of motorcycles and three-wheelers shouldn't despair, however, as there are benefits available for them, too.

And then there are these:

$2 billion for a FutureGen near-zero emissions powerplant in Mattoon, Illinois
$2 billion for manufacturing advanced batteries for hybrid cars
$650 million for the digital TV (DTV) transition coupon program
$1.2 billion for summer jobs for youth
$200 million for public computer centers at community colleges and libraries
$750 million earmark for the National Computer Center
$10 million to fight Mexican gun-runners
$850 million for Amtrak (on top of its regular subsidy)
$100 million for lead paint hazard reduction
$275 million for flood prevention
$65 million for watershed rehabilitation
$650 million for abandoned mine sites
$1.3 billion for NASA (including $450 million for “science” at NASA)
$100 million to clean up sites used in early U.S. atomic energy program
$10 million for urban canals
$1.5 billion for carbon capture projects under sec. 703 of P.L. 110-140 (though the original section only authorizes $1 billion for five years)
$500 million for state and local fire stations

3. Tax cuts and tax breaks that don't deliver anything close to real reform.

The Senate bill supposedly wooed a few recalcitrant Republicans by trimming spending (see above) and throwing in simple, clear-cut, and effective tax cuts. The tax portions of the Senate stimulus bill do contain approximately 40 separate tax-related provisions aimed at boosting the economy, amounting to an estimated $385.3 billion in cuts and government give-backs.

The Senate might have done something straightforward, like cutting the corporate income tax or cutting the payroll tax that all workers pay. Instead, most of the provisions are tax credits, many of which are refundable. In other words, individuals and businesses need to pay their taxes up front and then will get money back from the government. These sorts of programs, aimed incentivizing investment, are better understood as spending programs disguised as “tax cuts.”

Among the various tax provisions are programs such as the following:

The “Making Work Pay” credit: This would provide a refundable tax credit of $500 to individuals making up to $75,000 and a credit of $1,000 for couples making up to $150,000. It is intended to act as a refund of the Social Security payroll taxes paid by workers, though even those with no tax liability would also qualify to receive a check from the government for the amount of the refundable credit. Additionally, workers receiving this tax credit would receive credit as if they had paid into Social Security and thus accrue benefits toward a retirement pension. The Making Work Pay tax credit is the centerpiece of the Obama “tax cuts.

However, they are akin to welfare checks. Such tax credits are not likely to stimulate the economy because they provide no incentive for individuals to be more productive, but would simply pay them whether or not they were productive. Also, the potential consumption that might result from the tax credits will not have an effect on job creation. Business owners might notice a blip in their sales but they know that it is the result of a one-time tax credit. They won’t build new factories or higher more employees based on a blip. The total cost of this is expected to be $140 billi
Temporary Increase in the Earned Income Tax Credit or EITC: The EITC is a refundable tax credit available to low-income individuals, which increases with the number of children. Those that earn approximately $13,000 per year receive the maximum benefit (currently $5,028) and those who earn higher incomes receive lesser amounts. The stimulus proposal would increase the tax credit for those with three or more children, raising the total tax credit by about $600. EITC is essentially a welfare program, and while it may help shield its recipients from poverty, it is purely redistributive and will not spur economic growth.
Temporary Increase of Refundable Portion of Child Credit: Individuals with children qualify to receive a refundable tax credit of $1,000 per child until 2010, at which point it returns to $500 per child. If the individual does not owe any taxes, the tax credit is refundable only for those that make more than $12,550, which is intended to assist low-income working parents. The stimulus proposal would lower the amount that parents would have to earn to $6,000. By lowering the amount of income to $6,000, it might decrease the incentive for people to be profitably employed, and therefore would have the opposite of a stimulative effect on the economy.
Waiver of Requirement to Repay First-Time Homebuyer Credit: Current law allows first-time homebuyers to receive an interest-free federal loan of $7,500 (in the form of a refundable tax credit) to purchase a home. The loan has to be repaid over 15 years through an individual’s tax returns. The stimulus proposal would waive the repayment requirement, effectively giving all first-time homebuyers a $7,500 credit. This proposal may stimulate the purchase of homes, but do we really need the government to push people toward home purchases? In a time when the housing market is contracting to correct the abuses of the past, it is misguided to assume that additional interventions to spur home purchases will help the economy.
Build America Bonds: The stimulus creates an incentive to invest in municipal bonds that provide financing for public building projects. Like many of the other bonding provisions in the bill, this gives an incentive for private capital to flow toward public investment rather than private. Public investments are only going to promote economic growth if the government decides to use the funds more productively than they would otherwise be used in the private sector. There is no reason to think, however, that the government has suddenly become better at investing people’s money.
There are many more bad policies and spending decisions in the Senate stimulus bill, but even a cursory glance at the parts outlined above give a good sense of the overall legislation—and what is likely to be signed into law by President Obama.

And here is one more thing to consider: There is absolutely no evidence that any stimulus package in the past 80 years has goosed economic activity—not FDR’s during the Great Depression, not Japan’s during the 1990s, and not George W. Bush’s in 2001 and 2008. If anything, the economic evidence suggests that such spending packages actually intensified and prolonged misery.

Instead of rushing through legislation that will likely have no short-term effect on the economy, is guaranteed to have negative long term ones, and that serves the traditional interest groups that politicians are always busy catering to, the Senate should have cut spending like Ireland is now doing and cut marginal tax rates across the board. That would not only have stimulated the economy, it would have been fiscally responsible considering the massive entitlement crisis that it coming our way. But such legislation, alas, will have to wait for another day. Or another crisis.


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KEYWORDS: economy; porkulus; schifflist; stimulus; veroniquederugy
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The Peter Schiff/Redistribution Watch Ping. (Washington Bankrupting our Nation by Spending your past, present and future money!)

My favorite is the Making work Pay tax credit. We pay their SS and medicare payroll taxes (our payroll taxes are taxed) but recipients of credit are still entitled to full benefits, but our benefits are taxed.

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1 posted on 02/12/2009 5:12:19 AM PST by sickoflibs
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Even this non-economist can understand that increasing taxes and selling tax-exempt bonds automatically reduces the pool of funds available for private investment. It’s as though these people think money really can be printed in the Mint basement with an adverse effect, and that government bond purchasers would otherwise stuff their money into mattesses when they can’t buy bonds. All this does is make government the extremely expensive middleman of the exchange between producers and investors.


2 posted on 02/12/2009 5:21:40 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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The Peter Schiff/Redistribution Watch Ping. (Washington Bankrupting our Nation by Spending your past, present and future money!)

If there is no economic growth there is no tax revenue to pay for this so Obama is playing a dangerous game. At some point Obama will stop talking down the economy (after he gets what he wants) and will have to start talking it up, about how he saved it from republicans. He will need us to spend again enough to pay taxes.

Meanwhile Peter Schiff was in Saudi Arabia telling them they are crazy to loan anymore money to the US government, that our current spending trajectory shows we never plan on paying back the debt, just refinancing more and more, and eventually printing it away. I don't know if they have a choice, many say they dont.

3 posted on 02/12/2009 5:21:57 AM PST by sickoflibs (Pelosi: "Create jobs by teaching kids to use condoms in recovery bill ",condom jobs??)
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$650 million for abandoned mine sites

WTF?

Is that where they plan to bury the bodies of those who do not conform?

4 posted on 02/12/2009 5:28:47 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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“If there is no economic growth there is no tax revenue to pay for this so Obama is playing a dangerous game. At some point Obama will stop talking down the economy (after he gets what he wants) and will have to start talking it up, about how he saved it from republicans. He will need us to spend again enough to pay taxes. “

BINGO. Once the bill is signed, expect obama pressers to begin with the music “Happy Days are Here Again”

Expect the media to treat us to endless stories about happy peasants digging ditches, riveting bridges, filling potholes, changing light bulbs, painting schools, spending their $400 gubmint checks on designer Nikes, and herding children into shiny new government daycare centers.

Expect endless human interest stories about how obama changed people's lives. Expect president Potemkin to tour numerous make-work community projects to receive thanks and praise from the peasants for his stimulus money.

Now that we have seen how an ignoramus can talk down the economy, we're going to be treated to seeing if an ignoramus can talk the economy back up.

5 posted on 02/12/2009 5:31:22 AM PST by silverleaf ("Men are not angered by mere misfortune but by misfortune conceived as injury" - Screwtape)
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Those who do not conform may be offered “job retraining” and “re education” at offsite retraining facilities.

Ask the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Cubans and Vietnamese how this worked for them.


6 posted on 02/12/2009 5:33:21 AM PST by silverleaf ("Men are not angered by mere misfortune but by misfortune conceived as injury" - Screwtape)
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RE :”It’s as though these people think money really can be printed in the Mint basement with an adverse effect”

They want to create enough inflation to get spending and investing again, but only to generate tax revenue. They see the private investment as a necessary evil that must be controlled. They see government spending (public investment) as the best use for resources. Obama needs politically to start talking UP the economy in a year after he gets what he wants. Maybe 2 years inflation starts and they blame greed and call for windfall profits taxes and price controls.


7 posted on 02/12/2009 5:33:42 AM PST by sickoflibs (Pelosi: "Create jobs by teaching kids to use condoms in recovery bill ",condom jobs??)
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for followup
8 posted on 02/12/2009 5:38:39 AM PST by Gigantor (Sunni or later, shiite happens...)
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$75 million for the Smithsonian Institution.........

For construction of a new wing celebrating the glory of Obama

$125 million for the Washington, D.C. sewer system...

....because of the never ending bullsh*t coming from congress


9 posted on 02/12/2009 5:45:08 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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RE :”Once the bill is signed, expect obama pressers to begin with the music “Happy Days are Here Again

They can milk this for a while blaming republicans so they can get even more socialist stuff in, but by 2010 he need to start selling the great improvements for the mid terms and he needs tax revenues badly. My question, Why would US investors get back in with the current status and knowing Obama’s plans? Are we forced by inflation? Schiff and Rogers say commodities and gold and better foreign commodities because Obama will regulate them less.

I remember the bond market terrified Clinton 16 years ago over deficit but these guys figure they can blame Bush.

10 posted on 02/12/2009 5:46:47 AM PST by sickoflibs (Pelosi: "Create jobs by teaching kids to use condoms in recovery bill ",condom jobs??)
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To: Puppage
Abandoned mines often have serious environmental issues (heavy metals in runoff, etc.) I believe that these funds are intended to clean them up. Therefore, about $640 million will be spent on studies, reports, seminars, and oversight committees, $9 million will be sent on "promising pilot technologies", $0.75 million in "evaluating" those technologies, $0.24 million in "fixing" those technologies, and about 10 grand for a couple of new pumps.

Oh, and I forgot, some of that money will have to go towards lobbying Congress for more money.

11 posted on 02/12/2009 5:55:52 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: sickoflibs

I read Karl Dennninger daily now, Market Ticker

He has not been bullish on commodities for the average guys whose 401K has now become a 101K

In a worst case societal calamity, for the average Joe who cannot pay $1500 an oz for gold, bottles of booze and cigarettes might be just as valuable and whole lot more portable, Time to stock up?


12 posted on 02/12/2009 5:56:34 AM PST by silverleaf ("Men are not angered by mere misfortune but by misfortune conceived as injury" - Screwtape)
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I believe that these funds are intended to clean them up

Intentions.....

13 posted on 02/12/2009 6:09:33 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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And here is one more thing to consider: There is absolutely no evidence that any stimulus package in the past 80 years has goosed economic activity—not FDR’s during the Great Depression, not Japan’s during the 1990s, and not George W. Bush’s in 2001 and 2008. If anything, the economic evidence suggests that such spending packages actually intensified and prolonged misery.

This is the point we need to keep hammering on. The stimulus defenders say plans the reason previous spending plans failed is that they were not 'big enough'. Well, if that were true, then the economy would have gotten a little better, it wouldn't have gotten worse.

Obama seems to be using fear that the package won't get passed while admitting that there is a chance it might not work. Well, what about the very real fear that it will actually MAKE THINGS WORSE?

14 posted on 02/12/2009 6:40:30 AM PST by sportutegrl
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“$650 million for abandoned mine sites
WTF?

Is that where they plan to bury the bodies of those who do not conform?”

Probably Specter’s piece of the monstrosity.


15 posted on 02/12/2009 6:58:24 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (History does repeat itself. This is Ceasar and the Roman Senate.)
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$650 million for abandoned mine sites

WTF?

Is that where they plan to bury the bodies of those who do not conform?

ROFL!

16 posted on 02/12/2009 7:33:30 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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OK,...guess that explains it...I feel better now!


17 posted on 02/12/2009 7:37:07 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Well, what about the very real fear that it will actually MAKE THINGS WORSE?

Well his voting base is being taken care of...see the free handouts...

18 posted on 02/12/2009 7:41:50 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: sickoflibs

Federal Employees are union members. This whole bill was a targeted pork project to pay back union members for the big win. Remember the fact that federal employees are not subject to the same rationalized health care that the rest of us will have, nor do they pay into social security.


19 posted on 02/12/2009 7:42:15 AM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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The looters have taken over the Treasury and are doubling down on our credit cards...


20 posted on 02/12/2009 8:26:21 AM PST by Gritty (Instead of digging 'Stimulus' ditches, American taxpayers will be digging our own graves-Ann Coulter)
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