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To: SonOfPyrodex

What a pile of Bachelor Science.

Quantum is not some “magic” that defies the second law of thermodynamics.

Quantum, if anything, makes us EVEN LESS SURE about what we OBSERVE in the universe, due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the apparent affect or mere observation on “quantum events”.

When observing quantum, as in classical double slit experiments for example it is clear that simply observing an event has a “instant” affect on the object(s) being observed.

Since SCIENCE is based on observation of events (and assuming they operate the same way when not observed), this causes even more “whistling in the dark” from physicists.

Throw into that morass of bad juju the additional impact of Chaos Theory (which basically states there really ARE no Random events in the universe) and you being to realize our current level of understanding of the Universe is just as flawed as when “science” did not believe that germs were the cause of disease, or that worms spontaneously generated from horsehair. Noted scientists of the time (Read about Pastuer) had their reputations ruined by the Acadamy of Scientists for the crime of believing in pathogens and disbelieving in the formation of life from inanimate objects.

Information and order do not “grow” or “propagate” or “reproduce”. If so, we would be “growing” cars, books, houses etc. Order does NOT come from Chaos or disorder, because there can be no step-wise process that “preserves” information that is partial, but not usefull.

Take a look at DNA - it preserves information. Why don’t you - given EVERYTHING you have at technology’s disposal - nanotechnology, molecular engineering, robotics, etc - why don’t you design a simple life form that can reproduce itself forever, find its own food, and affect it’s own environment.

Quantum and Chaos Theory (albeit Chaos theory is poorly named) are very very interesting. It seems the universe cares what we think about it.


13 posted on 04/02/2009 7:43:11 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
"Quantum, if anything, makes us EVEN LESS SURE about what we OBSERVE in the universe, due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the apparent affect or mere observation on “quantum events”."

Nonsense. Quantum simply means discrete.

"Since SCIENCE is based on observation of events (and assuming they operate the same way when not observed), this causes even more “whistling in the dark” from physicists."

Ridiculous. This isn't even a complete thought. Also, there's no assumption that things operate the same way when they're not observed. It's a requirement that they do so. Otherwise A≠A !

"Chaos Theory (which basically states there really ARE no Random events in the universe)"

BS.

"you being to realize our current level of understanding of the Universe is just as flawed as when “science” did not believe that germs were the cause of disease, or that worms spontaneously generated from horsehair"

More of the same.

17 posted on 04/02/2009 7:56:27 PM PDT by spunkets
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