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1 posted on 05/09/2009 2:29:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Christian Gay Porn Star, John Gechtner


2 posted on 05/09/2009 2:31:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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and there are other teachings about sexual misconduct and who should cast the first stone

Did he forget about the fact that he LIED!!!

3 posted on 05/09/2009 2:34:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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Love the Sinner, hate the sin. Saying you are sorry is not enough, you must stop doing it as well.


4 posted on 05/09/2009 2:35:08 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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This is hardly a “difficult sitution.” The college is a private institution ( I assume) and has articulated standards regarding its purposes and community standards. Words fail when equivocation becomes the standard by which we judge things.


6 posted on 05/09/2009 2:37:43 PM PDT by yetidog
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I know of a woman who had a roaring career as a belly dancer/stripper while working on a pre-med degree (she earned enough money not to worry about tuition or bills during med school later).

This young fellow has the right concept but the wrong industry. He could have worked as a model or Chippendale rather than performed sex acts. For someone who is probably intelligent this was a really dumb thing to do.


8 posted on 05/09/2009 2:41:04 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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The student, who claims he is bisexual,

"You either .... ...., or you do not .... ...., there is no in-between."

9 posted on 05/09/2009 2:42:05 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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I made the mistake of googling him.
What a freak


10 posted on 05/09/2009 2:43:37 PM PDT by mowowie
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“Forgiveness is a key tenant of Christianity”

For those who forsake their sin.


11 posted on 05/09/2009 2:44:30 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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Forgiveness is a "tenet" of Christianity, but forgiveness does not mean that consequences for bad behavior choices are ignored because the person has received forgiveness.

This individual knew the standards and rules of the college before he went to the college. He made the choice to engage in behavior he knew would get him suspended. He owns what he did and now he will suffer the results.

And as far as "re-examining his beliefs", he should re-examine his salvation. If he was able to engage in homosexual behavior with apparently no problems with his conscience, then he needs to question whether or not he really knows Jesus Christ.

12 posted on 05/09/2009 2:45:12 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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While John did break the colleges rules and should have some discipline the other people at the university are really no better. The ones sending him threatening emails and throwing food at him in the college's cafeteria are no better then him. They are not showing any Christian values themselves.
14 posted on 05/09/2009 2:46:39 PM PDT by FloridianBushFan
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why not forgive basically anything then?

why have rules or criteria or standards period?

many folks...kumbaya Christians and non Christians in particular harp on all this forgiveness and don’t cast the first stone stuff as a way to discredit any moral responsibility

in fact that notion is arguably the biggest weapon the left has and they use it deftly over race, gender and homosexuiality issues.

i say RUBBISH.

plenty of schools expell over dope or boorish behavior or failure , cheating etc.

folks have to stand for something....this nation sure once did...but now all we stand for is warm fuzzy shite


20 posted on 05/09/2009 2:51:51 PM PDT by wardaddy (You will not destroy our country without a fight replete with horror your naive ass cannot imagine)
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The following may not be easy for some people, but truth rarely is.

1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

The Word of God is clear. Unrepentant (practicing) homosexuals who die in their sin, GO TO HELL. They can attend church, they can call themselves a Christian...but if they are practicing homosexuals when they die—they will spend eternity in Hell.

This passage lists a number of sins that offer the same consequences for unrepentance. An unrepentant thief goes straight to hell as well.

BUT, no other sin listed in that passage has a number of followers out to forcibly legalize their sin-calling sin a civil right.

When Jesus stopped the stoning of the adulteress, He told her to. “Go and sin no more.” Repentance doesn’t mean perfection, or a lack of struggle...The sin must stop! If a gay or lesbian isn’t even attempting to stop the sin-They will burn: end of story.


27 posted on 05/09/2009 2:57:57 PM PDT by Cyclops08
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“...working towards a degree in molecular biology...”

Maybe he can find a cure for AIDS before it kills him.


28 posted on 05/09/2009 2:59:06 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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btw....to anyone on this thread.

the whole question of whether the school as a Christian school had the right to expell this wayword caker is ridiculous.

the fact this is even debated on a conservative forum is sad....and so telling of how far we’ve fallen.


34 posted on 05/09/2009 3:05:09 PM PDT by wardaddy (You will not destroy our country without a fight replete with horror your naive ass cannot imagine)
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Forgiveness is a key tenant of Christianity

There is no forgiveness until the sin is no longer practiced. "Forgiveness" while the sin is occurring with no intention of the sinner to cease is simply acquiescence in the sin.

41 posted on 05/09/2009 3:28:07 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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He admits he was wrong and at the same time says the Christian college is not demonstrating Christian values.

In other words he wants everyone to pretend that it never happened.

51 posted on 05/09/2009 3:49:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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‘Forgiveness is a key tenant of Christianity; as I recall there was a good thief and a bad thief crucified along with Jesus, and there are other teachings about sexual misconduct and who should cast the first stone.”

Forgiveness does not mean forgetting. He lied to them. He damaged their school’s image. Let him go make his movies if he wants. Doesn’t need a degree for that. He’ll be dead of aids long before his degree would help anyway.


54 posted on 05/09/2009 4:08:30 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Hmm, this doesn’t pass the smell test. It looks like this guy is after $$$ - one way or another.


58 posted on 05/09/2009 4:43:36 PM PDT by khnyny ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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although the incident has forced him to re-evaluate his beliefs...

has received over 200 threatening emails

Re-evaluating whether you want to be associated with the kind of people who would threaten you over this?

59 posted on 05/09/2009 5:08:34 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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Forgiveness is not the same as being absolved from consequences.

We must remember that the “rules” God gave us are there to protect us. They are there to be sure we get the best value of our time here on earth.

Fire is awesome. It can help us to cook food, keep us warm, or just give as a reason to gather to sing and roast marshmallows. But if fire is not contained, it becomes destructive and dangerous, just like sex. Within Marriage, it is awesome and beautiful thing. Outside marriage, sex causes great harm. Children without two loving parents and a stable home that teaches them security and structure, disease, etc....

You can forgive and should forgive those who sin and seek true redemption. This does not mean they should not feel the weight of their actions— it is the best teacher of all to experience the pain of your decisions. It is the loving and right thing.

There are times for mercy, but this writer wouldn’t understand the difference anyway...

This is one of Saul Alinsky’s rules— you try and make them stand up to their own standards... this is why the left has none, you can’t make them live up to any...they want to corner the market on the use of the word hypocrite....I’d rather be mad at myself for being a hypocrite a few times in my life than to live a life with no standards or no understanding of right and wrong at all..


60 posted on 05/09/2009 5:22:11 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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