Birth Certificate, Dying Granny (interesting point)

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[cycle of discernment]

Posted by Pylgram Jun 14, 2009 - 5:53PM

Birth Certificate, Dying Granny

Obama's Admission

From "Dreams..." -- page 26, last paragraph:

"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It's a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father's imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents."

This paragraph exists in "Dreams from My Father." It is proof that Obama's birth certificate exists, that his grandmother had a copy, and that he's seen it. So he knows what's on it, and whatever it is -- or isn't -- it's the reason he is fighting its release so ferociously.

Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham's apartment within hours of her death. He was looking for this document before it fell into the "wrong" hands.

[icwhatudo]

“Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham’s apartment within hours of her death. He was looking for this document before it fell into the “wrong” hands.”

Linky?

[jessduntno]

Disturbing...as is most of this misadventure with the Kenyan...

[Tennessee Nana]

No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether

1. the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure.
2.Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner;
3. or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for.
4. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”
_______________________________________

5. or my father was not my father so why would he mention me ...

[jonrick46]

I would love information about this ransacking. Is there a reference to it on the Web?

[MHGinTN]

The paragraph to which you referred is only dispositive if the affirmative action figure is telling the truth. We know he lies without hesitation, so how can you trust anything he wrote or had ghost written in his ‘autobiographical fictions’?

[cycle of discernment]

Obama to travel to see ill grandmother

By CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN | 10/20/08

Barack Obama will leave the campaign trail Thursday to travel to Hawaii to see his 85-year-old grandmother, who has fallen ill, spokesman Robert Gibbs said Monday.

“In the last few weeks her health has deteriorated to the point where her situation is very serious,” Gibbs told reporters aboard Obama’s campaign plane.

The change of plans means Obama will scrap scheduled rallies Thursday in Des Moines, Iowa, and Madison, Wisc. He will instead head to Indianapolis, Ind., for a morning event, leave for Hawaii and return to the campaign trail Saturday, making stops in the West.

His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, “has always been one of the most important people in his life,” Gibbs said. “Along with his mother and his grandfather, she raised him in Hawaii from the time he was born to the moment he left for college.”

Gibbs would not disclose her medical condition, other than to say it was “very serious.” She was released from the hospital last week, Gibbs said.

“The decision that Sen. Obama is making to go to Hawaii underscores the seriousness of the situation,” Gibbs said.

Michelle Obama will hold events in place of her husband Friday in Akron, Ohio, and Columbus, Ohio, the campaign said in a statement.

[Theodore R.]

Our problem is that the sleeping American people don’t mind and are clueless to the bone.

[freekitty]

I don’t think in those terms; but there was a video of Obama alledgely going to his grandmother’s house in Hawaii; possibly to look for those documents. I don’t really remember if it was right before she died or right after.

[Sola Veritas]

“Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham’s apartment within hours of her death. He was looking for this document before it fell into the “wrong” hands.”

As much as I want to believe Mr. Obama “ransacked” his grandmother’s apartment.....where is the proof of such a statement? I think he is hiding the truth about the circumstances or his birth....although I’m not sure what that truth is....Kenyan birth or just something embarassing to him, but not necessarily POTUS disqualifying. I don’t know. I wished is was Kenyan birth so he could be ruled ineligible for POTUS....but I doubt that is the case. Truth is, he is ineligible by the fact that his father was not a U.S. citizen and the time of his birth. Therefore, he is not a natural born citizen with no possiblity of divided loyalty.

Whatever, I agree with ichatudo....where is the link to proof about the ransacking?

[lightman]

It might not be the nationality on the certificate but the race.

What if it read, “RACE = CAUCASIAN” ???

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. dJoe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts. Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

[ckilmer]

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The American Thinker explains here why the short form that Obama released is not sufficient for Hawaii. The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.

[BARLF]

or my father was not my father so why would he mention me ...

As someone posted here a few days ago......."That One" has left no foot prints so maybe he doesn't even exist.

[Tennessee Nana]

Oh, he did exist...

But maybe not quite so close to Stanley Ann...

[DBrow]

“Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham’s apartment “

We are criticized by the MSM of not checking our facts, or doing due diligence (I know, like Dan Rather did). We usually are better than they are in that respect.

Do you have backup for the ransacking assertion you have made? You have made a very bold statement.

If not, you should pull this thread.

[cycle of discernment]

The poster that advanced this theory was obviously connecting dots circumstantially.

It is true when this first heated up in July 2008 it was either Andy Martin or Jerome Corsi that went to Hawaii to dig up the “goods”....Obama made his first impromptu trip to Hawaii to visit his beloved grandmother exactly at the same time. Michelle and the kids did not even go up to granny’s apartment with him to see her. He stayed behind closed doors about two hours.

Then later, in October, again Andy Martin was broadcasting he was going in person and also had a PI on the case in Hawaii to track down the real birth documents, this is when we heard Obama had to drop everything mid-campaign to run back to Hawaii to see his ‘dying’ grandmother, who had been released from the hospital ( which is confusing if she was dying).

I believe there was some dispute about her actual date of death.

The key here is both times Obama raced to Hawaii ( unplanned) were precipitated by high profile investigative journalists going there to find his documents.

Also there is some evidence Obama had not visited his grandmother ( the “typical white person” that Michelle and kids did not even bother to see) routinely at all before this..his sister Maya was local and saw the grandmother on a routine basis.

[Texas Fossil]

Kenyan birth or just something embarassing to him

No Father Listed on the Birth Certificate?

Listed as Barry Dunham on the Birth Certificate?

Listed as Barry Toots on the Birth Certificate?

Listed as Barry Davis on the Birth Certificate?

Regardless, His actions have dispelled any doubt that he is not qualified to be there?

Like the Post Turtle.

[cycle of discernment]

I posted what another blogger wrote, it is his conjecture I found interesting. Read my earlier post for context.

[mountainlion]

Oh dear, our president comes form a broken home!