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Carbon dioxide not to blame in ice age mystery
Science News ^ | June 18th, 2009 | Sid Perkins

Posted on 06/20/2009 9:22:50 PM PDT by neverdem

The reason why those cold spells now come less frequently is still unknown

Scientists have peered back in time with a new analytical technique to see atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide more than 2 million years into the past. The findings indicate that a long-term decline in the levels of that greenhouse gas isn’t to blame for a geologically recent shift in the frequency of ice ages, scientists say.

The record of ice ages in North America stretches back 2.4 million years (SN: 2/5/05, p. 94). Until about 1.2 million years ago, ice ages in the Northern Hemisphere occurred about every 40,000 years, says Jerry F. McManus, a paleoclimatologist at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y. But for the past 500,000 years or so, ice ages have occurred, on average, only once every 100,000 years, he notes.

Several explanations for this shift have been proposed, but one of the most popular ones — a long-term decline in carbon dioxide levels — isn’t to blame, McManus and his colleagues suggest in the June 19 Science.

By chemically analyzing air bubbles trapped in ice, researchers can get a direct measurement of atmospheric composition. But so far, the longest ice core available reaches back only 800,000 years, McManus says. So, he and his colleagues sought a technique that could look back further into time — one that could take advantage of the multimillion-year records available in seafloor sediments.

The team’s lab tests indicate that the ratio of boron-11 and boron-12 isotopes incorporated from seawater into the calcium carbonate shells of a marine microorganism called Globigerinoides sacculifer depends on the pH of the water in which the creatures lived. That pH, in turn, depends on the concentration of carbon dioxide in the air, because the gas forms an acid when it dissolves in water...

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1 posted on 06/20/2009 9:22:50 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 06/20/2009 9:39:37 PM PDT by tubebender (I just discovered where all my lost tag lines went...)
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3 posted on 06/20/2009 10:00:35 PM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the post.


4 posted on 06/20/2009 10:09:11 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: neverdem
a long-term decline in carbon dioxide levels — isn’t to blame

Oooohh - someone's gonna lose their magic decoder ring!

No one crosses the Goreacle!

The debate is over, why bring this up...

The Goreacle couldn't (gasp!) be...wrong...could he?

5 posted on 06/20/2009 10:19:36 PM PDT by NorCoGOP (Recession: friend loses his job. Depression: You lose your job. Recovery: Obama loses his job.)
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6 posted on 06/20/2009 10:22:42 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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From the abstract:

“...estimates are consistent with a close linkage between atmospheric CO2 concentration and global climate, but the lack of a gradual decrease in interglacial PCO2 does not support the suggestion that a long-term drawdown of atmospheric CO2 was the main cause of the climate transition.”


7 posted on 06/20/2009 10:44:06 PM PDT by Bhoy
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8 posted on 06/21/2009 5:03:52 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Lady Thatcher)
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To: neverdem
CO2 is a trailing proxy. It isn't the cause of temperature change, it is the result of temperature change.
9 posted on 06/21/2009 7:16:47 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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By chemically analyzing air bubbles trapped in ice,

Of course, we know that ice is an absolutely impermeable material. What hogwash.

10 posted on 06/21/2009 8:12:19 AM PDT by aimhigh
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Of course, we know that ice is an absolutely impermeable material. What hogwash.

You can argue with proxy data, but you can't say it is not frozen in place. What the author does do is undermine carbon dioxide as a driving force causing climate change. This data supports the idea that carbon dioxide is a lagging indicator of prior climate change.

11 posted on 06/21/2009 11:12:22 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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12 posted on 06/21/2009 12:41:00 PM PDT by r-q-tek86 (The U.S. Constitution may be flawed, but it's a whole lot better than what we have now)
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Until about 1.2 million years ago, ice ages in the Northern Hemisphere occurred about every 40,000 years, says Jerry F. McManus, a paleoclimatologist at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y. But for the past 500,000 years or so, ice ages have occurred, on average, only once every 100,000 years, he notes.
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Until about 1.2 million years ago, ice ages in the Northern Hemisphere occurred about every 40,000 years, says Jerry F. McManus, a paleoclimatologist at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y. But for the past 500,000 years or so, ice ages have occurred, on average, only once every 100,000 years, he notes.
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15 posted on 06/21/2009 7:06:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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So if the old time line was correct we’d be due for a new ice age at any point, with the new one we would have over 60,000 years to wait.


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18 posted on 06/22/2009 3:36:10 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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Until about 1.2 million years ago, ice ages in the Northern Hemisphere occurred about every 40,000 years, says Jerry F. McManus, a paleoclimatologist at Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y. But for the past 500,000 years or so, ice ages have occurred, on average, only once every 100,000 years, he notes.

That's one way to say it. The other is that the warm inter-glacial periods used to show up every 40,000 years and now it's every 100,000 years. It isn't that cold isn't arriving so often, it's that the cold stays around so much longer when it is here.

19 posted on 06/22/2009 6:09:06 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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I think we should start calling Algore and his ilk “deniers” for denying CO2 is a trailing indicator of temperature change, not a leading indicator. The evidence is overwhelming, and it's not some computer model, it's real.
20 posted on 06/22/2009 10:15:03 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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