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Amir Taheri: End of Discussion - In Iran, there is a growing consensus that it is time to...
National Review Online ^ | July 27, 2009 | Amir Taheri

Posted on 07/27/2009 11:46:30 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 07/27/2009 11:46:36 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
The regime he heads has become a typical Third World dictatorship relying on violence and bribery to remain in power.

Doh! Islam went and did it again.

Perhaps if they try again the outcome will be different.

2 posted on 07/27/2009 11:55:32 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: neverdem

this is rubbish.

once the thugs are in place.
revolutionary guards
Mugabe’s war veterans
etc.

a revolution is very difficult


3 posted on 07/28/2009 1:01:24 AM PDT by element92
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To: neverdem; element92; sionnsar
Good article. Once the people have a general and shared attitude that the ruling party is corrupt and illegitimate, control becomes more difficult and tenuous. This attitude is the equivalent of having a declaration of independence.

Of course, a mere declaration won't do it; you have to force a new balance of power. It won't be pretty.

4 posted on 07/28/2009 4:29:54 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Oh well. Forewarned is forearmed. I'm up to my elbows in forearms.)
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To: neverdem; SunkenCiv; SolidWood; nuconvert; gandalftb; TigerLikesRooster
Bob Baer:

Iran is locked in a classic power struggle, pitting the house of Khamenei against the house of Khomeini. It has been simmering since Khamenei was appointed Supreme Leader in 1989, but it is only now that Khomeini's heirs have chosen to finally fight back against a complete takeover of the regime by Khamenei and the Revolutionary Guards. The Khomeinists were mistakenly convinced that if they could muster a 70% turnout and win the elections, Khamenei would not dare throw out the results.

Now that Khamenei has refused new elections, the opposition has switched from challenging the June 12 election results to attacking the legitimacy of Khamenei himself. They are counting on Khamenei to continue cracking down on demonstrators, arresting larger numbers of opposition supporters and eventually jailing the leaders. In the end, they believe, Khamenei will so antagonize Qom's ayatullahs that the country's clerical leadership will issue a fatwa condemning Khamenei and the June 12 election. Such a fatwa would strip Khamenei of any legitimacy as Iran's clerical Supreme Leader, eroding his support in the Revolutionary Guards. Already, the enlisted men in the ranks of the Revolutionary Guards are uneasy about suppressing the demonstrations. Its rank and file, like other Iranians, have suffered from the poor economy under Ahmadinejad. Reportedly, there have also been arrests inside the regular army. If true, it's a dark omen for Khamenei. A countercoup may just be on the cards.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1912970,00.html

5 posted on 07/28/2009 4:39:55 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: neverdem
Amir Taheri is a good read as always. I think there is however a difference between what Iranians want and what they can. Wanting Khomeinism to be gone is one thing, having the capabilities to remove is another thing.

Short of an armed insurrection, either through outside help (not going to happen under Obama) or ideally the Army staging a coup (which likely will trigger a civil war with the Guards), the entire regime won't go away with a wimper. Short of a miracle. I think the most promising prospect would be an Army coup hand-in-hand with civilian riots, protests and strikes.

6 posted on 07/28/2009 4:45:25 AM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: neverdem

.......fasl el-khitab, an archaic term meaning “the end of discussion.......

That is the ultimate tag line


7 posted on 07/28/2009 4:50:20 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . fasl el-khitab)
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To: element92

Not that difficult.

If there really is as strong majority all they have to do is refuse to go to work - all of them. A country cannot function long with no one producing anything.


8 posted on 07/28/2009 5:14:13 AM PDT by DB
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To: SolidWood
A full fledged strike brings things to a halt quickly.

It is pretty darn difficult to force people to work productively in technical jobs. They can't all be supervised and sabotage is often easy under those circumstances. The real issue is do they really have a commanding majority. If they do, then it is really only a matter of organization and will.

9 posted on 07/28/2009 5:18:52 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB

I have thought all along that is the best way to end this political standoff. I can’t understand why they haven’t deployed it unless the support is not there.


10 posted on 07/28/2009 5:22:18 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: FARS; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Thanks neverdem.


11 posted on 07/28/2009 6:48:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: AdmSmith

All it will take is one bullet.


12 posted on 07/28/2009 7:11:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
Khamenei has cancer and is planning that his son Mojtaba will be the new Dear Leader http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/08/khamenei-son-controls-iran-militia so it takes more than one piece of lead.
13 posted on 07/28/2009 7:48:26 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: neverdem

“Now we have had 25 years of a failed Islamic revolution in Iran, and the people do not want an Islamic regime anymore.” —Hussein Khomeini, grandson of Ruhollah Khomeini

Ah, the irony....


14 posted on 07/28/2009 8:34:18 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: neverdem; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Marine_Uncle; SunkenCiv; blam; Fred Nerks; ...
And we have this :

Mousavi: Protests will continue until regime backs down

And:

Iran: There Will Be Blood

15 posted on 07/28/2009 8:41:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Nachum; brianhumeck; TigerLikesRooster; SeekAndFind; edpc; Texas Fossil; nuconvert; SE Mom; ...

Major background story ping!


16 posted on 07/28/2009 8:51:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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Thanks for the links.


17 posted on 07/28/2009 11:39:36 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Meanwhile they work on uranium enrichment. For all we know Mir-Hussein Mussavi, Mehdi Karrubi, and Mohsen Rezai Mir-Qa’ed, Ali-Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, Muhammad Khatami, and other close associates may have set up a clever smoke screen that would keep the country in a very unstable state, with the goal being, the West at the USA’s lead would have no one in particular to enter into suggested dialog within the Iranian government regarding their being sponsors of terrorism and development of an atomic bomb. It seems to me they do as good a job as the North Koreans to stay isolated, and not feel obligated to follow international laws etc..


18 posted on 07/28/2009 12:21:26 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: neverdem
This is the reason that Iraq's Sistani pretty-much tried to stay out of direct politics.

When Islam runs the government, people's anger against the government will translate into anger against Islam itself.

19 posted on 07/28/2009 12:31:15 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: odds; nuconvert; FARS; LibreOuMort

Folks, I know neither Arabic nor Parsi though I’ve been around both a little. A very little. Still many of the terms here somehow sound to me like they are Arabic and not Parsi. Are they, or are they not?


20 posted on 07/28/2009 6:30:21 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - murdered by regime of murder)
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