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Congressman Franks drops threat to sue over Obama's birth certificate
The Examiner ^ | 08/24/2009 | Sean O'Donnell

Posted on 08/25/2009 4:37:20 AM PDT by AJMCQ

During a town hall meeting Sunday, Congressman Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) stated that there was not sufficient proof that Obama is not a born U.S. citizen. However, he also said that he had considered filing a lawsuit over the amount of conflicting evidence concerning Obama’s birth circumstances.

According to Politico.com, Rep. Franks recently stated that his threat to file a lawsuit was actually prior to the 2008 campaign, not recently.

This behavior is very peculiar because earlier in the summer, Rep. Franks stated:

“I believe Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, stayed within the United States and, therefore, is a constitutionally natural-born citizen of this country… My [Congressional] office did some in-depth research. And we found birth records in the newspapers in Hawaii that couldn’t possibly have been forged. That’s my perspective, that you can’t go back and rewrite those.”

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; constitutionalcrisis; trentfranks; usurper
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Coward.
1 posted on 08/25/2009 4:37:20 AM PDT by AJMCQ
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To: AJMCQ

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


2 posted on 08/25/2009 4:38:57 AM PDT by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: AJMCQ

Who didn’t see this coming? It takes a strong man to stand up against the “you’re a nut” crowd from BOTH sides. Someone probably found some dirt on him, too. Or went after his family.


3 posted on 08/25/2009 4:39:10 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: AJMCQ
I guess they got to him.
4 posted on 08/25/2009 4:40:10 AM PDT by WesternPacific (Angry Mobs Vote!)
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Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”

5 posted on 08/25/2009 4:40:30 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: AJMCQ

Like Prissy, what would Barney know about birthin’ babies?


6 posted on 08/25/2009 4:40:38 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Caltholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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Somebody got to him.Why the flipflop franks?


7 posted on 08/25/2009 4:40:40 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: AJMCQ

OOOps. Didn’t read the article.


8 posted on 08/25/2009 4:41:19 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Caltholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: AJMCQ

Corporal David Heddrick USMC (Retired) has more guts than this puke of man.

Franks is just another “Milk Carton Congressman!” No where to be seen!


9 posted on 08/25/2009 4:45:00 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("Semper Fi!)
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To: AJMCQ

Maybe his family got a disturbing message.


10 posted on 08/25/2009 4:45:17 AM PDT by wastedyears (Genesis, Sega CD and Saturn work, and my 360 red rings after 2 and a half years.)
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“And we found birth records in the newspapers in Hawaii that couldn’t possibly have been forged. “

If he had any understanding on how those announcements get into the newspapers, he’d know that this is a B.S. excuse. No one is saying that the announcements were “forged”....suspect is the information used at the time to trigger them.


11 posted on 08/25/2009 4:45:22 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin supports a "path to citizenship" = AMNESTY for illegal aliens. .... DEMINT '12)
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It isn’t the birth certificate that is important. It is a red herring, drawing everyone’s attention from the real issue.

Barack Hussein Obama II is British even though he MAY have been born in Hawaii. He was registered as a British citizen by his father, also a British citizen. If born in Hawaii he is a dual nationality and definitely not a natural born citizen. The only way to shed that British citizenship is to naturalize citizenship with another nation. It never lapses, as Obama has falsely claimed.

So the BC issue is hiding a far more dangerous fact: he isn’t a loyal American but has split allegience, to Britain and possibly to Indonesia, since he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, according to Barack’s sister Maya Soetoro-Ng


12 posted on 08/25/2009 4:51:55 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Kimberly GG
No one is saying that the announcements were “forged”

I'm seeing this tactic a lot nowadays and I think it's relatively new. Someone says something like "The information in these newspaper announcements is not convincing" and the response is "Listen, we know these are not forgeries. It's ridiculous to claim that they are. Clearly, our opponents are desperate to even bring up the claim that these are forgeries."

Huh?

Robert Gibbs does this a lot on a variety of topics. "Do you purge the email?" "Listen, how many times do I have to tell you people -- we are not keeping an enemies list!"

Huh??

It's an awkward and obvious change in the subject, but I swear most people don't seem to register it.

13 posted on 08/25/2009 4:52:02 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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He must have received the “horse head in the bed” treatment.


14 posted on 08/25/2009 4:57:08 AM PDT by Joy in the Journey (For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. I Corinthians 14:33)
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To: AJMCQ

HUM_____________________________________________________?


15 posted on 08/25/2009 5:00:05 AM PDT by taxtruth
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To: SatinDoll

Agreed.


16 posted on 08/25/2009 5:03:06 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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...he isn’t a loyal American but has split allegience, to Britain

Obamalamadingdong seems to have genuine disdain for Great Britain. It's been one insult after another from him towards what is perhaps our greatest ally....

17 posted on 08/25/2009 5:06:25 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution, the definition of natural born citizen, combined both principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Emmerich Vattel, Law of Nations, § 212. Of the citizens and natives

18 posted on 08/25/2009 5:08:30 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Everyone signing up after Nov 28, 1997 is a newbie.)
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To: AJMCQ
Congressman Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) stated that there was not sufficient proof that Obama is not a born U.S. citizen.

The Chi-Town Thugs must've gotten to this boy.

Note to Franks: It's not up to US to prove he is a natural born citizen, it is up to HIM to prove that he IS.

19 posted on 08/25/2009 5:18:11 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - No socialist Bureaucrat on a Death Panel is going to decide whether I live or die!)
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To: Thermalseeker

Now, I said he has split allegience. I didn’t what he has allegience to, much less say that would be Britain.

(the following was written by Larry Martin, an American expat in Indonesia)

In an article entitled “A Forgotten Cause” ¹, Peter Tatchell sheds light on the plight of the West Papuans, many of whom are Christians and have suffered under Indonesia’s brutal policy of ethnic and religious persecution. The untold story though is how the Obama campaign would sell out the West Papuans in a desperate attempt to protect Obama’s presidential bid.

On the 3rd of July, 2007, U.S. Congressman Eni Faleomavaega would touch down in Djakarta, Indonesia. A staunch, outspoken critic of Djakarta’s rule over West Papua, New Guinea, and a crusader for West Papua’s right to self determination, the chairman of the House Subcommittee on Asia, the Pacific and the Global Environment, Faleomavaega promised to be a force to be reckoned with.

Having been barred from visiting Papua by the Indonesian government, Faleomavaega would instead settle for a private meeting in Djakarta with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Barnabas Suebu, the governor for the Indonesian province of Papua. The Papuan issue though wasn’t the only thing on his mind, being one of Barack Obama’s most devoted disciples, Faleomavaega would be seeking the Indonesian government’s assistance in supporting Barack Obama’s presidential campaign as well as making the requisite pilgrimage to Barack Obama’s childhood school.

According to Indonesian sources, “officials” who accompanied Faleomavaega were interested in acquiring any and all documentation of photographs of a young Barry Soetoro for America’s “national archives” and they were offering cash, lots of it. In a show of faith, Barack Obama’s childhood school would be one of the very first beneficiaries of this outpouring, receiving thousands of dollars to upgrade the school and for the purchase of computer equipment, thanks in part to the benevolence of this visiting junket.

The challenge, of course, was securing Indonesian government records potentially damaging to Barack Obama’s candidacy for the U.S. presidency as well as other records pertaining to a young Barry Soetoro and his family wouldn’t be so easy to acquire and secure. For this the visitors would need the assistance and cooperation of the Indonesian government.

It’s not that getting Indonesian government help is difficult, it’s not. It is no secret that Indonesia is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet, but we’re not talking about the challenge of dealing with corrupt government officials here, but rather dealing with the “true believers of change”. Convincing the Indonesian government that an Obama presidency will be able to deliver that “change”, and that it was in the interest of both countries to see that Barack Obama was elected, was nothing more than a fait accompli for Faleomavaega’s entourage.

For West Papua’s governor in attendance, having been pacified at the prospect that an Obama presidency would enable him to make zillions trading carbon credits on the Chicago Climate Exchange. Barnabas Suebu would sit quietly as the fate of West Papua was decided.

The only issue of contention Faleomavaega would face from the Indonesian government would be the issue of West Papua. In the end, it was simply a give and take situation. The Obama campaign needed assistance from the Indonesian government and the Indonesian government wanted a free hand in Papua.

Later concerning Faleomavaega’s meeting, Indonesian presidential spokesman Dino Patti Djalal² would have this to say: “One thing that is sure is that Faleomavaega’s visit here has changed his views about Indonesia. It has made him realize this country is so vast and complex it cannot be reduced by the Papua issue…” Dino said Faleomavaega was known as a member of the U.S. Congress who often commented on the Papuan issue but now he had changed his views. “He now sees that Papua is inalienable part of the Unitary State of the Republic of Indonesia.

Faleomavaega’s meeting with Indonesia’s president regarding West Papua and his subsequent flip-flop on supporting West Papua’s right to self-determination is something that you might think would warrant at least a press release on the congressman’s website. But there is nothing, nor is there any mention on the House Subcommittee’s site. No press release, nothing, not even a mere mention of his trip to Indonesia.

In the end everyone got what they wanted, all to the detriment of the West Papuans.

There is no denying the fact that the prospect of an Obama presidency has emboldened the Indonesian government’s brutal repression in Papua. In an earlier article, we explained in detail how an Obama presidency would stoke ethnic and religious chauvinism in Indonesia, and how Indonesia’s Islamic fundamentalists will use an Obama presidency to radicalize a new contingent of militants from the ranks of Islam’s moderates. Individuals who are mesmerized by the phantasmagorical image of one of their own now inhabiting the White House, and who will see it as a sign of America’s impending submission and our nation’s acquiescence to the superiority of Islam. Tee-shirts blazoned with messianic images of Barack Hussein Obama have been very popular in Indonesia. In Indonesia, Barack Obama is fast becoming the “Che Guevara” of Indonesia’s young wannabe Islamists.

The Indonesian government is not only failing to protect the West Papuans from the violence of militant Islam, but the government is actively stoking the fires of ethnic and religious chauvinism and supporting intimidation against the West Papuans with many in recent day taking to the streets protesting the introduction of Islamic law.

For Indonesia’s national news agency to refer to the U.S government as the “George Bush administration”, highlights the dichotomy of opposing foreign policy positions that are being both presented and exploited by the left. That Indonesia would feel it was safe to renew their campaign of brutal repression in Papua during the last few month of the Bush administration, the diplomatic sabotage conducted by the Obama campaign is partially, if not wholly, responsible.

Footnotes:

1) ‘A Forgotten Cause’, Peter Tatchell, The Guardian, Nov.30, 2006
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/nov/30/genocideinwestpapua

2) ‘President Receives U.S. Congressman Eni Faleomavaega’ The Jakarta Post – July 07, 2007 http://www.indonesia- ottawa.org/information/details.php?type=news_copy&id=4358

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Why would Barack Obama go to such lengths to hide his past in Indonesia, if he only lived there from age 6 to 10 and returned to the nation of his birth?

Hint: his mother converted to Islam and naturalized as an Indonesian citizen. She spent most of her life there in Indonesia. And Barack Obama II, aka Barry Soetoro, was adopted by his stepfather.

There is a very deep, dark secret in Barack Obama’s life, and I believe it is in Indonesia.


20 posted on 08/25/2009 5:19:41 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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