Knock three times on the ceiling if you want me!
Posted on 08/28/2009 9:53:49 AM PDT by Sergeant Tim
President Barack Obama said, "Nobody has ever escaped from one of our federal, supermax prisons, which hold hundreds of convicted terrorists," during his May 21, 2009 speech at the National Archives.
In this morning's Washington Post, they report a 2006 Department of Justice memo states that convicted al Qaeda prisoners in Supermax at Florence, Colorado "coordinated the beginning of a hunger strike" and developed "a sophisticated method to resist compulsory feeding" by communicated via "tapping on the pipes." (Has no one at the Bureau of Prisons ever heard of the Hanoi Hilton and how John McCain et al communicated by tapping on the walls?)
The WaPo stopped short of quoting from footnote 11 on page 13 that, "Ultimately, due to this coordination, the al Qaeda terrorists succeeded in gaining transfer from high security detention." The DOJ's memo does not go on to explain if the transfer was temporary or permanent yet there are no reports that al Qaeda detainees were transferred away from Florence. It sounds to me like the BOP, at least temporarily, had to shuffle prisoners around so that the plumbing was not common.
There has always been a waiting list to move dangerous prisoners into Florence’s Supermax yet the number of open beds there has hovered between 26 and 28 (currently 28) the last 3 weeks. Perhaps they are doing some remodeling to both house detainees in a distinct wing and prevent such communications between them once they are there. While that may silence pipeline communications, that will not break the Ratt [sic] line.
In 'Inside Gitmo,' Gordon Cucullu writes:
"Attorney Michael Rattner, now representing many of the Guantanamo detainees, prides himself on having "closed Guantanamo" back in the mid-1990s primarily through coaching civil disobedience, particularly hunger striking. It therefore came as no surprise that shortly after attorneys like Rattner began to show up at Guantanamo in 2004, organized hunger strikes began in earnest."
That same footnote in the DOJ's 2006 memo also states:
"Al Qaeda detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba similarly staged a coordinated riot in recent weeks that resulted in significant property damage and injury to some of the guards dispatched to put the uprising down. Through communication and planning among detainees, more than 75 al Qaeda detainees staged a coordinated hunger strike, again attempting to undermine the conditions of their confinement. In facilities considerably less structurally secure than the Florence "Supermax" facility, other means of ensuring that detainees are unable to communicate with one another (such as the use of white noise and full-time surveillance) thus become particularly important. These events highlight the overriding need for maintaining tight security -- including rigorous controls on detainee communications -- at facilities housing terrorist detainees."
Three of the high-value detainees' defense lawyers are now under investigation for allegedly showing photographs of CIA interrogators to their clients.
If President Obama is serious that the security of our nation and its people are his first priority, he should keep al Qaeda's killer locked up at Gitmo as Supermax, Ft Leavenworth, and Standish prison are all insufficient for that purpose. Then he can put up (or shut up) by ordering the communications between detainees and their lawyers be fully monitored to prevent the latter from assisting al Qaeda with waging jailhouse jihad.
Perhaps I could inquire.
A relative is . . . uhhh . . . in administration . . . there.
Let them starve themselves to death.
Knock three times on the ceiling if you want me!
Good one.
In administration where?
If President Obama is serious that the security of our nation.......
He isnt.
Key phrase here: If, you know who, is serious about our national security. I still refuse to string the two words, President and the word obama together. Insult to the country and to the office.
A sampling of prisoners at Florence ADX, the larger list is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_at_ADX_Florence
* Abdul Hakim Murad, of al-Qaeda’s Operation Bojinka[1]
* Ahmed Ajaj, of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing[2]
* Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, Al Qaeda conspirator in several plots, including one to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush
* Ahmed Ressam, of the 2000 millennium attack plots[1]
* Charles Harrelson, 02582-016, Texan hitman, convicted of murdering federal judge, father of actor Woody Harrelson, died in prison of a heart attack March 15, 2007.[3]
* Clement Rodney Hampton-El, a.k.a. Dr. Rashid, of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing
* El Sayyid Nosair, of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.[5]
* Eric Robert Rudolph, 18282-058, terrorist, committed the Centennial Olympic Park bombing and other bombings[1][6]
* Eyad Ismail, 37802-054, of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing[5][7]
* Iyman Faris, also of the NYC landmark plot, sentenced to 20 years in 2003
* James Ujaama, who tried to develop an al-Qaeda camp in Oregon
* John Walker Lindh, dubbed “The American Taliban”[9]
* Jose Padilla, 20796-424, convicted of aiding terrorists
* Khalfan Khamis Mohamed, participant in the 1998 United States embassy bombings
* Mahmud Abouhalima, of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing[11]
* Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-Owhali, of the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings
* Mohammed A. Salameh, of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing[11]
* Mohammed Ali Hassan Al-Moayad, would-be financier of al-Qaeda and Hamas, serving 75 years
* Mohammed Odeh is one of the four former al-Qaeda members sentenced to life imprisonment in 2001 for their parts in the 1998 United States embassy bombings.
* Mohammed Mansour Jabarah A Canadian convicted of terrorism-related offences
* Nidal Ayyad, of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing[11]
* Ramzi Yousef, 03911-000, of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and Operation Bojinka, senior al-Qaeda member[12][15][10]
* Richard Reid, 24079-038, al-Qaeda’s would-be “Shoe Bomber”[16]*
* Robert Hanssen, 48551-083, former senior FBI agent serving life for espionage[15]
* Terry Nichols, 08157-031, Oklahoma City bombing conspirator[12]
* Theodore Kaczynski, 04475-046, the “Unabomber”[10]
* Wadih el-Hage, 42393-054, of the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Africa[20]
* Wali Khan Amin Shah Operation Bojinka
* Zacarias Moussaoui, 51427-054, of the September 11, 2001 attacks[1]
Let them die of starvation if that is what they want. One less terrorist to worry about.
They're lucky I'm not POTUS. My orders would be that the first one causing any trouble would result in ALL of them being shot. They are not POWs, they are terrorists, and would get absolutely NO Geneva Convention rights or privileges.
They're lucky I'm not POTUS. My orders would be that the first one causing any trouble would result in ALL of them being shot. They are not POWs, they are terrorists, and would get absolutely NO Geneva Convention rights or privileges.
More likely a distant relative (of his) is incarcerated there. LOL.
Supermax.
INDEED.
Sorry, I’m not sure what you’re saying.
How secure is the prison - if attacked in the middle of the night-FROM THE OUTSIDE ?
You refuse to eat - you starve to death - next question?
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