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Man vs. God: Debate Becomes Consensus
the trumpet.com ^ | 10/09/09 | Jeremiah Jacques

Posted on 10/10/2009 5:05:32 AM PDT by kindred

“The most highly educated,” wrote the late Herbert W. Armstrong, “view all things through the eyeglasses of evolutionary theory. … That is why the most highly educated are, overall, the most ignorant—they are confined to knowledge of the material, and to ‘good’ on the self-centered level. Knowledge of God and the things of God are foolishness to them.”

A recent issue of the Wall Street Journal featured a discussion between prominent thinkers on the subjects of evolution, science and the role of religion which proves the accuracy of Mr. Armstrong’s statement.

The feature, titled “Man vs. God,” is far from the debate one might expect between a professing theologian and an evolutionary scientist. Instead, both parties heartily endorse evolutionary theory and share an overt hostility to the idea of a sentient Creator.

One essay is presented by author Richard Dawkins, widely acclaimed for his scathing denouncements of creationism in such books as The God Delusion. Predictably, he makes an empty case for the logic of Darwinian evolution to explain the origins of life.

Dawkins first dismisses the possibility of the universe having been created by a superior Being, using the following circular reasoning:

Making the universe is the one thing no intelligence, however superhuman, could do, because an intelligence is complex—statistically improbable —and therefore had to emerge, by gradual degrees, from simpler beginnings: from a lifeless universe—the miracle-free zone that is physics.

In other words, an intelligent Creator could not have made the universe, because such a sophisticated Being would first have had to evolve from a lifeless universe. Irrefutable logic! The questions of how the universe and the laws precisely governing it did indeed first come into existence are conveniently ignored.

Later, Dawkins seals up his case for Darwinian evolution, lavishing it with praise as “the only process we know that is ultimately capable of generating anything as complicated as creative intelligences. Once it has done so, of course, those intelligences can create other complex things: works of art and music, advanced technology, computers, the Internet and who knows what in the future?”

And where does this blind force of evolution leave God? Dawkins dutifully covers this as well:

The kindest thing to say is that it leaves Him with nothing to do, and no achievements that might attract our praise, our worship or our fear. Evolution is God’s redundancy notice, his pink slip. But we have to go further. A complex creative intelligence with nothing to do is not just redundant. A divine designer is all but ruled out by the consideration that He must [be] at least as complex as the entities He was wheeled out to explain. God is not dead. He was never alive in the first place.

Presented by a professing theologian, we might expect the accompanying essay to offer some rebuttal to Dawkins’s zealous appeal for the Darwinian faith. Quite the opposite. Prominent spiritual author Karen Armstrong begins by paying homage to evolutionary theory as a source of enlightenment for the modern notion of God:

But Darwin may have done religion—and God—a favor by revealing a flaw in modern Western faith. Despite our scientific and technological brilliance, our understanding of God is often remarkably undeveloped—even primitive.

And why so primitive?

In the pedantic language of scholarship, Karen Armstrong argues that the greatest flaw in modern religion is the belief that God exists in the literal sense. Echoing her rival essayist, she suggests that science has ruled out any possibility of a divine Creator. Religion, therefore, was in a purer form before anyone suggested the existence of God ought to be grounded in hard fact and science:

Religion was not supposed to provide explanations that lay within the competence of reason but to help us live creatively with realities for which there are no easy solutions and find an interior haven of peace; today, however, many have opted for unsustainable certainty instead. But can we respond religiously to evolutionary theory? Can we use it to recover a more authentic notion of God?

This “more authentic notion of God” is, of course, one who does not actually exist, but who is merely an ethereal symbol representing some fuzzy, spiritual philosophy. She summarizes this more sophisticated, modern theology as follows:

The best theology is a spiritual exercise, akin to poetry. Religion is not an exact science but a kind of art form that, like music or painting, introduces us to a mode of knowledge that is different from the purely rational and which cannot easily be put into words. At its best, it holds us in an attitude of wonder, which is, perhaps, not unlike the awe that Mr. Dawkins experiences—and has helped me to appreciate—when he contemplates the marvels of natural selection.

So according to this renowned theologian and spiritual author, God and religion have their valued place in a modern, enlightened society, so long as no “believers” fall prey to the delusion that God actually exists.

Ironically, it’s the unabashedly God-denouncing Dawkins who offers the only statement of truthful insight to be extracted from either of these essays. In a jab at modern theology’s absurd presentation of atheism as a belief in God, he concludes his argument as follows:

Now, there is a certain class of sophisticated modern theologian who will say something like this: “[O]f course we are not so naive or simplistic as to care whether God exists. Existence is such a 19th-century preoccupation! It doesn’t matter whether God exists in a scientific sense. What matters is whether He exists for you or for me. If God is real for you, who cares whether science has made him redundant? Such arrogance! Such elitism.”

Well, if that’s what floats your canoe, you’ll be paddling it up a very lonely creek. The mainstream belief of the world’s peoples is very clear. They believe in God, and that means they believe He exists in objective reality, just as surely as the Rock of Gibraltar exists. If sophisticated theologians or postmodern relativists think they are rescuing God from the redundancy scrap heap by downplaying the importance of existence, they should think again. Tell the congregation of a church or mosque that existence is too vulgar an attribute to fasten onto their God, and they will brand you an atheist. They’ll be right.

With these two authors in such harmony in their ridicule of creationism, it seems the intent of this Wall Street Journal feature is to suggest that, among intelligent, objectively thinking scholars, there simply is no debate; belief in a Creator God has long-since been established as primitive superstition. The only thing left to debate is whether retaining the word “God” might be of some use in modern atheistic philosophy.

Discussion or debate of any alternative to evolutionary theory, however grounded in objective fact, is academic heresy, and would presumably invite ridicule from the sophisticated Wall Street Journal readership.

Why such hostility toward authentic debate on the subject of creation?

The prominent theologian sharing the name Armstrong, who was quoted at the beginning of this article, answered this question. Herbert W. Armstrong wrote extensively on fundamental flaws of modern scholarly thought. “The most highly educated,” he stated in his magnum opus Mystery of the Ages, “view all things through the eyeglasses of evolutionary theory.”

Mr. Armstrong continued:

Evolution is concerned solely with material life and development. It knows and teaches nothing about spiritual life and problems, and all the evils in the world are spiritual in nature.

That is why the most highly educated are, overall, the most ignorant—they are confined to knowledge of the material, and to “good” on the self-centered level. Knowledge of God and the things of God are foolishness to them. But, of course, God says, “The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God” (1 Corinthians 3:19).

What a telling example this Wall Street Journal feature presents of the blinding force of intellectual pride in what is put forward as a fair-minded examination of factual merits of both sides of the coin.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: educated; ignorant; vanity; wisdom
One of, yea, the first of the 7 deadly sins of Scripture is the pride of man. 2 so called educated denying the living God of Israel and His Christ who created them and therefore both fools of the worst sort who will not admit the obvious witness of the Holy Spirit of God and deny the only begotten Son of God, these will kneel and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Such vanity, such ignorance, vipers and snakes, who has warned them of the wrath to come?

“The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God” (1 Corinthians 3:19). 1JN 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

1JN 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

1JN 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1JN 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

1JN 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1JN 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1JN 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1JN 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1JN 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1JN 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 posted on 10/10/2009 5:05:33 AM PDT by kindred
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To: kindred

Karen Armstrong is a member of the Jesus Seminar. They might as well have asked the devil to represent the religious side.


2 posted on 10/10/2009 5:35:03 AM PDT by Radl
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To: Radl

Karen Armstrong is also apparantly a neo-Averroeist, a contemporary heir to the tradition of Siger of Brabant.


3 posted on 10/10/2009 5:42:54 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: Radl
Nothing like staking the deck in your favor...

Can't blame them really, the atheist are out manned and very out “gunned”...

4 posted on 10/10/2009 5:48:03 AM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: Radl
[Karen Armstrong is a member of the Jesus Seminar.]
Karen will suffer the consequences of her personal rebellion at the White throne judgement. An atheist belonging to a so called christian sect, what a hypocrite she is as well as all so called christian cults who deny the witness of the Holy Scriptures and try in vain to make the witness of lies their witness. Despicable, but we of the body of Christ were warned in the Scriptures, 2TIM 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2TIM 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 2TIM 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 2TIM 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 2TIM 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2TIM 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 2TIM 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2TIM 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 2TIM 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was. 2TIM 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 2TIM 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 2TIM 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2TIM 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2TIM 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 2TIM 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 2TIM 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2TIM 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
5 posted on 10/10/2009 5:55:47 AM PDT by kindred (Facts are a stubborn thing, but people are even more stubborn and will deny facts.)
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To: kindred
Dawkins first dismisses the possibility of the universe having been created by a superior Being, using the following circular reasoning:
Making the universe is the one thing no intelligence, however superhuman, could do, because an intelligence is complex—statistically improbable —and therefore had to emerge, by gradual degrees, from simpler beginnings: from a lifeless universe—the miracle-free zone that is physics.

That statement is so astonishingly STOO-PID I almost don't know where to begin.

Except to say, I guess Dawkins isn't aware of the world of Particle Physics. Its so 'miracle free', new physics had to be invented to explain it, Quantum Mechanics. And that still DOESN'T explain all the weird things that go on there (like Leptons).

And that's one reason Einstein didn't believe in Quantum Mechanics. He didn't think GOD would make a 'world' where utter Chaos exists and you'd have to invent new physics to 'explain it'.

(Einstein was no atheist)

6 posted on 10/10/2009 6:15:09 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: kindred

Karen Armstrong is the devil in a red dress...


7 posted on 10/10/2009 6:19:02 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Radl
Karen Armstrong is a member of the Jesus Seminar. They might as well have asked the devil to represent the religious side.

The media love the Jesus Seminar because their out-of-this-world radicalism is good for the shock value which the media rely on to get your attention. Doesn't matter to them that the Jesus Seminar is a fringe group.

8 posted on 10/10/2009 7:39:47 AM PDT by thulldud (It HAS happened here!)
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