Posted on 11/22/2009 3:05:18 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
The Investigation
The vast majority of people who either visit or sell guns at gun shows are law-abiding citizens and dealers.
However, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms , and Explosives (ATF) reports that 30 percent of guns involved in federal illegal gun trafficking investigations are connected to gun shows.
This multi-state undercover investigation exposed how easy it is for criminals to buy guns at gun shows.
The City of New York investigated 7 gun shows in 3 states involving buys from 47 gun sellers using hidden cameras.
The investigation videos showed that 35 out of 47 sellers approached by undercover investigators at these gun shows sold guns illegally.
(Excerpt) Read more at gunshowundercover.org ...
If a person sells a gun to an individual through a want ad, a chance encounter or a gun show, he has no reason to believe the sale is illegal. If a criminal wants a gun he is going to get it either through the black market or steal it or even buy it from a person who doesn’t know he is a criminal.
The city of New York has no business investigating what occurs in other states.
FK Bloomberg! How many background checks go on in parking lots in New York City during any given day .
Also, from other threads on FR there were discussions how the NY investigators set up the sellers and stretched the investigative techniques to get them to sell the weapons.
The best way to close the “gun-show loophole” is to realize/acknowledge that disbarring a felon-who-has-served-his-sentence the right to keep and bear arms violates the Constitution.
I mean either he HAS served his sentence, in which case he should have the full status of liberties restored, or he has not, in which case he should not be free of incarceration.
The “system” is getting to be such that a “black mark” will always follow you around and condemn you for the rest of your life regardless of any justice, Restitution, or Payment made because of it... it’s like the electric company ALWAYS tagging on the “late fee” because you were, at one point in time, late.
“Also, from other threads on FR there were discussions how the NY investigators set up the sellers and stretched the investigative techniques to get them to sell the weapons.”
If you can recall where these threads are, it would be helpful to post links to them here.
When I found this website, it occurred to me that it would be a convenient example to cite to anyone who complains that the Breitbart undercover investigation of ACORN was “unethical journalism”. If so, then NYC authorities sending “sting teams” to root around in the economic activities of other states might be “ethically challenged” as well. On the other hand, if these activities are defensible and legitimate, Bloomberg et al should anticipate that other governments (say authorities in the states where he sent his “sting teams”) would be perfectly justified in running sting operations on corrupt NYC government activities. I wouldn’t mind seeing a few reports like that, which would likely be very interesting reading.
Bizarre, but it clearly demonstrates the lefty-commie "Ill stick my nose in your business" thought process.
City of New York "investigating" in three other states?
This has the ring of "Just who is supposed to give a damn about the city of New York?"
Try nobody?
However, it appears that members of the Bloomberg administration went to gun shows in Nevada, Ohio and Tennessee posing as buyers. This smack of federal and or State felonies as they appear in the videos to be buying firearms under the falsehood that they were residents of those respective states.
Of course it is ok for THEM to commit felonies as they are going to “save us all” from ourselves...
" A decade ago, a measure to require background checks for all sales at gun shows passed the Senate only to die in conference with the House. A similar bill is now in the Senate. Mr. Bloomberg says he is hoping this new report will help Congress find the courage to buck the gun lobby. For the sake of all our safety, we hope so, too."
Well golly whiskers! Goody for them.
Now if they would be so kind as to get their anti-American butts back to their slime hole, folks in Nevada, Ohio and Tennessee just might actually be a little safer. As soon as those respective State lines hit them in their New York azzes.
I noticed Jodie Foster’s character in The Brave One just paid cash for that Kahr. The background check must have been edited—will probably be included in the Director’s Cut.
And 100% of those guns are connected to the manufacturers of them. If nobody made the guns, we'd have no connections.
Actually, "connections" is one of those dishonest concepts started by the Clintons. A "connection" can be anything you want. In the Clinton years, they found "connections" between criminals and Rush Limbaugh in that a car radio preset was set for a station that carried Rush Limbaugh. But that was a "connection".
For Bloomie and the feds, "connection" sounds good when "data" or "evidence" wouldn't hold up under scrutiny.
Biggest hole in the gun sales is the straw buyer. Most straw buyers are women who are drug addicts but have no arrest records yet. Their criminal boyfriends become their friend in order to use them sexually and illegaly. Once it is established that the girl is a drug addict and has no record, their boyfriend immediately see them as a means to purchase a handgun legally (since the girl is of age and has no record). The girl is so doped up from her addiction, all she cares about is how to get a free fix for her addiction, from whom the boyfriend uses to entice her to buy the gun and give it to him. Sad part is this is possible due to America’s appetite to use drugs. Something Libertarian freepers should think about when they advocate the culture of drugs as a personal conservative value of freedom.
That is a very good point. I would love to know their definition of “connection”.
Wow! If you don’t already write cheap novels, you should.
Last gun show I went to had lots of veterans, cops, and various armed law abiding citizens.
Just the kind of place criminals go to make an illegal purchase, right?
Hey, moron, the scenario you describe is under rules you advocate!
What we have now is due to people like you.
When was the last time you saw people committing crimes to get a beer or pack of smokes?
“I noticed Jodie Foster’s character in The Brave One just paid cash for that Kahr. The background check must have been edited—will probably be included in the Director’s Cut.”
Maybe it was an instant-check or something? I haven’t bought a gun in over ten years, is that possible ?
But to piggy-back on your post, Hollyweird’s version of reality for years has been that anyone could walk into a gun shop and walk out with a fully-automatic weapon, no questions asked. All mom-and-pop gun shops have back rooms where they keep racks of military-grade stuff including rocket launchers, grenades, etc.
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