That doesn't invoke a lot of confidence in the point you are trying to make here on this thread.
I'm confident in the point that I was making, in that this "organization" is not part of any legal system that we have in this country. They just picked a name, say that they are a "grand jury" and go around the country "making news" (as best as they can). That's about it. Nothing much more happens (that is, nothing happens in the legal system that results in anything, legally).
And, you know..., this is something that anyone can research out. It doesn't take me to do it, but as I said, I would.
I happened to be gone for most of the day yesterday and probably today, too. I guess I'll be gone out most of the business day today, and might check back in on posts a couple of times.
When I do get back home (probably over Thanksgiving holiday), I'll get into digging it up. But, please..., anyone else feel free to dig into it, too, before I get back to do it myself. It's not private information that is out there about the group, but public.
AND, by the way, as either an aside or perhaps related (depends on how you think about it...), I do support the Fully Informed Jury Assocation, but not the organization -- the "American Grand Jury" which appears to be like a kook organization, no matter, and even if..., they want to get rid of Obama and even if we think that's a good goal to have.
11/06/2009 1 ORDER: The Court is in receipt of certain documents identified as “Grand Jury Presentments” filed by Mack H. Ellis. The documents purport to represent grand jury presentments for fraud, treason and election fraud against President Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic National Convention. Leave to file this presentment is DENIED. Further, though the papers presented to the Clerk of Court shall not be filed, they shall be assigned a miscellaneous number along with this Order for the Court’s record.. Signed by Chief Judge Todd J. Campbell on 11/6/09. (# 1 Attachment-Affidavit of Process-Serve and # 2 Attachment-Grand Jury Presentments)(as) (copy mailed to Mack Ellis) Modified on 11/6/2009 (af). (Entered: 11/06/2009)
ORDER
The Court is in receipt of certain documents identified as “Grand Jury Presentments,” filed by Mack H. Ellis. The documents purport to represent grand jury presentments for fraud, treason and election fraud against President Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic National Convention.
The Fifth Amendment provides that “no person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury….” U.S. Const. Amend. V. Although presentments are constitutionally permitted, there is no authority under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure or in the statutes of the United States for this Court to accept one. United States v. Briggs, 514 F.2d 794, 803 n.14 (5th Cir. 1975); Gaither v. United States, 413 F.2d 1061, 1065 n.1 (D.C. Cir. 1969); see also United States v. Cox, 342 F.2d 167, 184 (5th Cir. 1965) (Brown, J., concurring).
Furthermore, grand juries are convened by the court for the district in which they sit. See Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(a)(1); In re Grand Jury, 490 F.3d 978, 986 (D.C. Cir. 2007) (“the district court itself convenes and supervises the grand jury proceedings.”). Grand jurors are also to be selected at random from a fair cross section of the district in which they are convened. 28 U.S.C. § 1861.
The individuals who have made this presentment were not convened by this Court to sit as a grand jury nor have they been selected at random from a fair cross section of this district. In addition, the individuals who have made this presentment did not meet under the supervision of any district court and, in fact, convened online rather than in person. Any self-styled indictment or presentment issued by such a group has no force under the Constitution or laws of the United States.
As such, leave to file this presentment is hereby DENIED. Further, though the papers presented to the Clerk of Court shall not be filed, they shall be assigned a miscellaneous number along with this Order for the Court’s record.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
TODD J. CAMPBELL
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE