Posted on 12/17/2009 5:00:34 PM PST by KevinDavis
>> I’m a firm believer in Global Warming and Global Cooling,
Are you really a star traveler Star Traveler?
Yup, it’ll probably balloon into a red giant, and only last another 5 billion years or so...
Only in imagination... :-)
But aside from all that imaginary star traveling... Global Warming and Global Cooling is a big nothing — we’ve had it all our lives (and millennia past, too)... so it’s no big deal.
Supposedly the global warming ' hot spot ' is at 10 km, which sounds like upper atmosphere.
The signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics.
It is. Al Gore says it’s a couple million degrees only a few clicks down. Haven’t you been watching those videos today of the volcanic eruption 4,000 feet underwater? I rest my case.
The “science” is not that good.
Just emphasizing the abuse of terminology by the prophets of AGW - e.g., Climate Change.
They take ordinary terminology describing ordinary events to manufacture politically driven crises.
Although Global Warming was an accurate representation of the unproven phenomenon of global warming, Climate Change is not.
I don’t ‘believe’ in Climate Change, but can prove there is climate change.
Oh yeah? Well you’re just a racist, sexist, homophobic tool of big oil!
-liberal counter argument
I don’t ‘believe’ in Climate Change, but can prove there is climate change.
Well, I "believe in climate change" -- in the same way I believe in Global Warming and Global Cooling -- they're happening, so I believe in them... :-)
Climate change is a change in the statistical distribution of weather over periods of time that range from decades to millions of years. It can be a change in the average weather or a change in the distribution of weather events around an average (for example, greater or fewer extreme weather events). Climate change may be limited to a specific region, or may occur across the whole Earth. In recent usage, especially in the context of environmental policy, climate change usually refers to changes in modern climate. It may be qualified as anthropogenic climate change, more generally known as global warming.
The climate of a place or region is changed if over an extended period (typically decades or longer) there is a statistically significant change in measurements of either the mean state or variability of the climate for that place or region.
(n) climate change, global climate change (a change in the world's climate)
So, let me get this straight. When the Atmosphere Cools,its Global Warming. When the Atmosphere heats up, it’s Global Warming ? Is there ever a point at which there is no warming ?
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Yeah, I had an ex-gf just like that. It lasted a year and a half, but it sure seemed like 5 billion.
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>> Well, I “believe in climate change” ...
Going back to my original point, you are Star Traveler but not a star traveler, at least not yet.
I guess we can say that Global Warming exists, but not necessarily global warming. It’s meaningless to argue that neither Climate Change nor climate change are not occurring, or do not exist.
Climate Change and Global Warming are constructs of radical political activism and therefore exist as formal terms for the causes they represent.
I see no reason to believe in something that is experienced on a regular basis - therefore, I don’t believe in climate change.
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The upper atmosphere that the Space.com refers to (the thermosphere) begins at 100 km. Factor of 10 higher. We now have observed significant differences in the Earth's Atmosphere (Upper Thermosphere) that correlate with recent changes in solar activity levels. So the statement that there has been no correlating factors discovered connecting solar cycles to the Earth's atmosphere, is yet again, another AGW myth that gets busted.
I guess we can say that Global Warming exists, but not necessarily global warming. It’s meaningless to argue that neither Climate Change nor climate change are not occurring, or do not exist.
Climate change is the process of Global Warming and Global Cooling. We've all already seen that Global Warming and Global Cooling exists, so that's not an issue. And since "Climate Change" is the combination of those two, we've basically already confirmed "Climate Change" by definition.
All that is of no consequence, because basically -- no one -- disputes Global Warming and Global Cooling (which is "Climate Change"). I've seen anyone that says that the earth has never warmed up and has never cooled down.
To talk about that is of no consequence to the political issue at hand.
The only thing of consequence for what FReepers and others in the public are interested in (in terms of what some politicians are trying to do) -- is -- "Anthropogenic Global Warming".
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