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Store or Starve: A beginner’s guide to food storage
nationalexpositor.com ^ | 1/21/10 | Ron Shirtz

Posted on 02/10/2010 7:29:27 PM PST by Kartographer

I want people to store food not only for their sake, but for mine as well. I don’t want to decide which of my kids have to go hungry when you and your unprepared kin come knocking on my door. Contrary to progressive-collectivist thinking, every individual who takes care of themselves and their families benefits society by not becoming a burden. So take responsibility now and start today. Don’t expect the Feds to come by to hand you your ration of government-rationed cheese. You could be in for a long wait. Wait too long, and you may end up with a green-stained mouth from eating grass, like the poor Irish during the potato famine in the mid 1800’s. Or seriously reevaluate your aversion to cannibalism. Compared to those desperate methods, dumpster diving comes off as luxury cuisine.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: cannedgoods; canning; food; foodstorage; groceries; grocery; lping; preparedness; preppers; preps; survival; survivalism; survivalists
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A list of survival manuels on PDF

http://harrythomas.info/SurvivalBooks.htm


121 posted on 02/11/2010 7:56:05 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: metmom

Two important things.

Plants like warm feet. If you can get the soil warmed, they will do better.
Empty soda bottles (3 liter) work really well as caps. Just cut out the bottom. You plant the seedling and pop a bottle on top of it. If you feel you need the top, it is too cold to plant.


122 posted on 02/11/2010 7:57:58 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: jpsb
Anyone know of a good inexpense supplier?

Church yard sales. Don't bother with Goodwill etc., they charge more than for brand new ones.

123 posted on 02/11/2010 7:58:46 AM PST by nina0113
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Bookmark


124 posted on 02/11/2010 8:00:22 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Kartographer
"...my fear is a neighbor showing up at the door with a staving child, so I do what the bible proscribes and try to put away an extra ten percent as a tithe. But as the head of my household my first duty after that to God is to my family. ..."

You hit upon the crux. Most folks do not want to even entertain those tough decisions. It is too painful to even comprehend, but it must be addressed.

The thing I notice is that women, who operate according to feelings and emotions moreso than men, are appalled when I proffer this exact concept; they cannot rap their brains around an actuality so horrible as this. My wife is the same way. I ran her through several scenarios similar to your scenario, then ran through them again with our (not yet in existance) children in the mix. All I succeeded in doing was to make her sad.

125 posted on 02/11/2010 8:04:53 AM PST by I Buried My Guns
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To: AppyPappy

I’m thinking that the cold frames would help warm the soil better.

But I’m talking about starting in late April or early May. The soil is generally warm enough at that point, it’s the late frosts and freezes that are the problem.

It doesn’t sound too early for some, but would give us a month on the growing season.


126 posted on 02/11/2010 8:06:56 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jpsb

You need a pressure gauge on a pressure canner for canning foods otherwise, you don’t know if you got the contents hot enough.

Looks for sales and coupons for jars as people who garage sale them often ask too much for used jars. At that point, I’d rather buy new ones.

If you get used ones, examine them carefully for nicks and chips in the rim or cracks in the jar.

Another resource you might try, is find some older grandmotherly type and ask them if they know anyone who has canning supplies. Often I’ve found that if they’re not canning themselves any more, they are more than happy to give it to someone who will use them. They would rather give them away to someone like you than throw them out. Asking around about canning supplies usually gets you somewhere.

You can also safely can fruits, applesauce, and jams and jellies using a hot water bath method, just like tomatoes.


127 posted on 02/11/2010 8:12:51 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I’ve planted tomatoes in NC in February using the soda bottles.


128 posted on 02/11/2010 8:14:30 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: metmom

metmon, nina thanks for the info, guess I’ll bite the bullet and buy a real canner. thanks again.


129 posted on 02/11/2010 8:17:26 AM PST by jpsb
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To: AppyPappy

This is central NY.

Our technical last date of frost is May 15-31.

Technically.....

We can’t even see the ground yet. In a good year, we MIGHT see some crocuses showing in late Feb.


130 posted on 02/11/2010 8:17:58 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jpsb

The only thing I’ve used it for so far is pressure canning soup stock and corn.

You can pressure can meat, but I haven’t tried that yet. But if the electric ever goes out for what looks like a long time, I can pressure can the meat I have in the freezer to save it.

You need to get something that is a pressure CANNER. You can also use it to pressure cook, but can’t use a cooker to can.

Have you ever done any regular hot water bath canning?

I’d suggest trying that first to get used to it.

I’d be glad to offer any advice. I’ve been canning since I was a teen and helped my mother with it, so have it down to pretty much a science now.


131 posted on 02/11/2010 8:23:38 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Kartographer
I would agree with you a PSG is best if you are in a stable location. If you have to travel, it's a bit tough using a PSG while driving. Also when hoofing it you have a weight factor with a PSG. A revolver with 50rds is much lighter than a PSG with 25rds. Then you also have to consider concealment. Don't forget what happened with Katrina.

Personally, I have them all, PSG, handguns, rifles and plenty of ammo for all. Then again I live right in the middle of 500 acres and don't plan on going anywhere.

132 posted on 02/11/2010 8:32:53 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: o_zarkman44
"...Go to survivalblog.com and read “Retreat Security. I am Your Worst Nightmare”. ..."

I did. I read it. Very helpful.

If I may add to the base of wisdom: at the bottom of that page on survivalblog is a link that says "The Defense of Duffer's Drift". Although written in 1905, it really opened my eyes to the military concepts of cover, concealment, and preparation of the battle space. I highly recommend it.

The author goes through the same scenario 5 times, and each time he improves his defenses and more thouroughly thinks out his predicament. In the first 4 rounds, he loses (to the Boers).

133 posted on 02/11/2010 9:13:00 AM PST by I Buried My Guns
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Don’t expect the Feds to come by to hand you your ration of government-rationed cheese.



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134 posted on 02/11/2010 9:40:37 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Painesright; WOBBLY BOB

Because you can put a Faraday cage around the stuff stored in the garage.


135 posted on 02/11/2010 10:31:35 AM PST by calex59
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To: Kartographer

need advice from the experienced with vacuum food storage:
what are the best makes and models?

I’m looking to do storage for medium to long-term for food
I have dehydrated.


136 posted on 02/11/2010 11:13:14 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I use a Tila. For long term I use the Tila and with vaccum jar attachment and store food in canning jars with oxygen absorber or place vaccum bags with oxygen absorber in a mylar bag and then seal.
137 posted on 02/11/2010 11:16:44 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: calex59

http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/emp_and_faraday_cages.htm

With radio’s and smaller appliances, a Faraday cage can be built by using two cardboard boxes: one should fit tightly inside the other, and the item to be covered should itself fit reasonably well inside the smaller box. That is about the most work involved—finding the right size boxes! The outer box is then covered with aluminum foil or Mylar, as from a cheap “space blanket.” A grounding wire is then taped to the foil. I then cover the foil with black 6 mil plastic, taped securely in place, to protect the foil from ripping. At the end of the ground wire I attach a cheap small alligator clip from Radio Shack. The item to be protected is placed inside the inner box, which acts as insulation from the outer box, and any EMP hitting the foil and is bled away by the ground wire.


138 posted on 02/11/2010 11:24:09 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Kartographer

OK-thanks. I will check ebay for prices.


139 posted on 02/11/2010 11:49:26 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Don’t tell me, you asked the question and I answered it. I know about Faraday cages.


140 posted on 02/11/2010 1:17:19 PM PST by calex59
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