Posted on 02/12/2010 10:48:29 PM PST by OneVike
Point 2: Even the most smug nuke will admit that diesel-electrics are quieter than a nuke, simply because you don't have to run reactor cooling pumps. Last I heard, convection cooled reactors are still unsafe. A non-air breathing propulsion system, like the WW2 German Hydrogen Peroxide system, can charge batteries without surfacing. A shallow water boat doesn't have the water depth, close to shore, to go deep, so it has to rely on silence.
Point 3: Three or four wire guided torpedoes that explode under the keel may not sink the Stennis, but she sure as hell isn't going to be in shape to conduct 24 hour flight ops with 4 equally spaced 50 foot holes in her keel. Recall that water is incompressible, so the entire force goes thru the steel. The sheer size of a CVN doesn't permit it to recoil from the shock wave. Jet fuel, fresh water, food, ammo lockers are stored in bunkers below the water line. This isn't a big secret.
Point 4: Sonar is good, but it doesn't make the sea transparent, and active sonar is a target for a homing torpedo, even with a nixie. Passive sonar means you have to listen, and hope you can hear the bad guys. Remember, Clinton sold Lord knows how much technology to China, and if you have ever seen a 5 axis mill cut a shape, you realize that some very weird and wonderful things can be made, these days. I'm not sure that China always deals with other countries with the best interests of the US as a priority.
This is all from Popular Science. Just remember that paranoia is sometimes a good thing. Islam is trying to kill us, and they are dangerous as long as they are breathing.
Crippled as slowing it down considerably. Would you want to launch fighters then-im not so sure?
And do you think foreign militaries advertise all their tracks during such wargames??
The German word "Panzer" (meaning "armor" such as that worn by knights in the Middle Ages, and - by extension - "armored vehicle") is, in fact, merely the generic term for "tank," not a particular model of tank. In fact, during WW II, both the U.S. and the Germans employed a variety of different models of tanks.
Most notably, the Germans had the "Panther" and the "Tiger."
Regards,
I wonder if, in the event of a nuclear attack, we'll have enough time to consult our dictionaries and grammar books?
Who's to say whose problem that will be?
Regards,
Our tank was the Sherman. They were cheese boxes compared to the Tiger and Panther of the Germans and were even slightly inferior to the Mark IV which preceded them. You are right though on the numbers. Shermans eventually overwhelmed the German tanks. That was because air superiority and the eastern front knocked the he** out of the Germans production. If Hitler would have had a brain our many Shermans wouldn't have won the day, they would have produced enough Panthers that we would have lost the armor battle except for one other thing. We built a superior tank and fielded it at the end of the war.
We knew we needed a better tank and built one. Numbers don't always win the day.
Arrrrrrgh...
Curse you!
Just... curse you all to pieces!!!!
I’d say you’re right. The T-34 was probably the best overall medium tank in the war. The Sherman—the only advantage is the Germans couldn’t shoot them fast enough.
“We built a superior tank and fielded it at the end of the war.”
Was the Pershing superior or just a match for the Panther or Tiger? Seriously, I don’t know. I’ve never thought of the Pershing as superior—only somewhat equal or adequate.
I have no specific info about the owners of ThyssenKrupp except what is written here: http://www.thyssenkrupp.com/en/investor/aktionaersstruktur.html and that does not really spill the beans.
SS and SSn boats have benefitted from advances in technology by countries that worked with what they had, instead of dumping money into SSNs.
On the plus side - stealth, negative S/N ratios, longer endurance, some submerged recharging.
On the other hand, that negative S/N ratio is based on doing what an SS does best - pretending it is a manned mine and sitting in wait or creeping in on a maneuverability-limited opponent. War games put opposing sides in situations they would normally avoid, to force a confrontation.
Most of the threats we would face wouldn't get too far from the pier, if hostilities seemed imminent and they had shown signs of making ready to get underway. There just be a 'thump', followed by a cloud of bubbles and oil at the 100 fathom curve. But it would only take one or two getting through, and into position, to create serious problems.
Definitely agree with you regarding the sad state of ASW preparedness. Unfortunately, it is a field in which it takes quite a long lead time to develop skilled operators and teams who can meet the challenge posed by the newer boats.
Propellers? In a ship of its size they are too far one from another, either in the transverse or longitudinal axis.
How'd that whole 'turn using the propellers' thing work for the Bismark?
As far as the propellers go, a major danger is that if one blade is hit, the imbalance would result in a good deal of damage from the imbalance before that shaft could get shut down.
Thx. Later.
And it comes taped to the styrofoam spacers in the kit!!!
How convienient!!!
But don’t worry...If you lose it, the wrenches you have from previous assemblies can be used...They are universal...
BTW, for all participating in this discussion...
I am amazed at how many people are buying into this notion that CVN’s are on their way out of current naval operations and are extremely vunerable, therefore somehow obsolte because of these vunerabilities...
Big secret folks...They have always been vunerable to a lot of things, both internal and external...
The most valuable and resilient thing to a warship is its crew...You can have the worst platform out there and a well trained crew can horse a lot of things into a battle plan...
We have known some countries relatively friendly, and or downright impossible to assume they would go to war with us, with developments like this in their military inventories, have been developing technology like this for years...No big secret there...
Just because they are super duper quiet doesn’t mean the game is over...I believe it just takes those countries that are not so friendly with us way out of play...
The Swedes may never ally themselves, or go to war with us just because they have a wiz bang quiet submarine out there, but that doesn’t mean we have to sweat them for not jumping onboard in giddy schoolgirl form if they decide to do so...
When push comes to shove, our navy will have lots of friendlies to work with, and those we know are going to oppose us when the button is pushed...Well, it’s just going to get really ugly for someone, real quick...
Just remember these AIP systems, though rather good, are only as good as the legs it has under it, and the ability of the crew to stay on station for any gret length of time...Maybe they’ll only stay out long enough to attemot to accomplish a mission, but then again, that depends on how long we stay within their scope and range of operations...
Long gone?
How will it be killed if it can’t be found?
I’m often reminded of the Axis powers in WW II. When the war started they had the best fighters and bombers in the world. Why spend money for research, development and production of newer models?
The US and Britain saw early they were outclassed and worked on improving existing models and producing new and superior models. By the time Germany and Japan discovered they were outclassed it was too late. Our own government has slipped into complacency just like the Axis did. Advanced aircraft and warships have been cut back or cancelled, meanwhile other countries are moving ahead.
Not a hoax .
From what I have read the Russians defeated the Tigers at Kursk by getting in close, actually intermingling with the German formations. Germans were used to long range fights, not bar room brawls. Shermans would swarm a tiger, surrounding it. We might lose one or two Shermans, but the Tiger died.
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