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Or
has a compensatory or other vested Obot interest
or
the name is used by more than one person
or
take your guess ......
Posted on 02/19/2010 9:27:00 AM PST by butterdezillion
On Jan 27, 2010 Hawaii State Senator Will Espero has introduced a bill to label some people "vexatious requestors" who can be denied responses from the DOH. This action was taken 2 weeks after I posted "Red Flags in Hawaii", (see at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/ ), a blog post documenting how Hawaii government officials have broken laws and rules in order to cover for Obama.
The Honolulu Advertiser has an article about it. Apparently I can't post anything from the HA because they won't allow it, but it's in an article online today. In it, Okubo claims that she gets about 50 requests/month for Obama's BC.
First off, I call BS on that number. I requested all the UIPA requests involving Obama for a 2-week period and there were 7 requests - only 2 of which were for a BC, and both for a non-certified abbreviated birth certificate, which the Administrative Rules expressly authorize to be released to anybody who asks for it.
Second, I believe this firmly places us in phase 3 of the saying, "First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win."
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Or
has a compensatory or other vested Obot interest
or
the name is used by more than one person
or
take your guess ......
Another on, even a Marine, Jack Murtha!!!
You might have a point if the DOH had not answered other UIPA requests I made with the answer: “there are no records responsive to your request.”
However, receipts and invoices from an amendment to his birth certificate were protected from disclosure by state law.
Wake up, zombie.
When did you send your UIPA request?
The issue is whether the EXISTENCE of receipts is protected from disclosure by state law. If the EXISTENCE had been protected from disclosure then the DOH and OIP should have given a Glomarized response: “The records, if any, are protected from disclosure.”
They didn’t. Not to MT, not to you, not to me.
Dear Miss Tickley. I will put as fine a point on this as possible.
When somebody does not say what you want them to say, it is insane to then claim that their not saying what you wanted them to say was actually a secret way of saying it after all.
It is simply true, and it requires no more demonstration than reading your correspondence to prove, that the Hawaiian DOH has never admitted that Obama’s original birth certificate has ever been amended.
Full stop. End of story.
“When somebody does not say what you want them to say, it is insane to then claim that their not saying what you wanted them to say was actually a secret way of saying it after all.”
Which is exactly why I consulted on the rules with a staff attorney at the OIP, Linden Joesting BEFOREHAND.
I wanted to make certain the law required that an agency tell me if those particular records do not exist.
Ms. Joesting confirmed twice that, yes, the agency must tell me.
Why is that so hard to believe? Email Ms. Joesting yourself at oip@hawaii.gov and ask her.
Ask her if she advised me twice of the same.
Then ask her what her ruling was on appeal. I assure you she was very professional and very, very helpful.
Please do us all a favor and report back what she tells you.=)
*wicked cackle*
I requested a ‘supplemental BC’ and a ‘statement of disagreement’ and was told on both that no records were responsive to my request.
Let me make this easy for you because you are stubborn and slow...AND, well, I really just enjoy proving you wrong.
Below are two direct quotes from Ms. Joesting to me. Please feel free to copy and paste them, send them to her at the email address below and confirm for yourself that she wrote them and that they are accurate.
Then I suggest you get yourself a heaping plate of crow with a side of sh*t and eat up.
Linden Joesting:
“Yes, you may ask for a copy of the invoice and receipt. If the agency has the documents in electronic form, or can
easily convert the documents into an electronic form, then they may send it to you electronically. If no amendments
were made, there would not be any such documents and the agency should inform you of that fact.
Sincerely,
Linden H. Joesting
Staff Attorney
Office of Information Practices
State of Hawaii
No. 1 Capitol District Building
250 S. Hotel St., Suite 107
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Tel.: 808-586-1400
Fax: 808-586-1412
E-mail: oip@hawaii.gov
Web site: www.hawaii.gov/oip”
Also this:
“You may certainly send this request for records to the Department of Health. Please note however that you do not
need to reference that the request is for their policy and procedure. A list simply of the documents would be
adequate. If they agency does not have any such documents they should say so. For example, Dr. Fukino does
not make any reference to an amended vital record of Barack Obama and therefore there may not be any.
Thank you for your inquiry.
Sincerely,
Linden Joesting
Staff Attorney
Office of Information Practices
State of Hawaii
No. 1 Capitol District Building
250 S. Hotel St., Suite 107
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Tel.: 808-586-1400
Fax: 808-586-1412
E-mail: oip@hawaii.gov
Web site: www.hawaii.gov/oip”
(ALSO, be sure to ask her how I was able to appeal a ruling denying me a copy of a record that doesn’t exist. And ask her why it took 13 days to rule.)
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Thank you for the heads up and helpful tips, although I honestly welcome the chance to repeat my story for this troll.
Truth is, my frustration is phony because I know that I am correct.
I KNOW that BHO didn’t count on anyone getting answers without even getting a peek at the original BC.=)
But, we did.
Well, Miss Tickley certainly shot you down, Andrew.
I’m not going to engage with your speculation, but this is the second time when you’ve made claims about contacting the DOH and what they’ve said, where you’ve totally ignored my questions about specifics regarding the communication.
What requests did you make which were answered by a denial that the records exist, and when did you make them?
I’m looking for specific facts. Once I asked you when you contacted the DOH and they said they don’t give the cert numbers in their office, and once I asked you when you sent in a UIPA request which was answered with “no records exist”.
Just the facts, ma’am.
Wow. You’re so desperate that you invented every bit of what you wrote.
I INVITED you to ASK Joesting yourself.
You are too scared sh*tless to do that, dufus, SO you just made up a bunch of blather to sound like you have a clue.
If you are too big a p*ssy to ask Joesting yourself, then you have been completely discredited and PUT IN YOUR PLACE.
My job is done.=)
You look like the pathetic loser you are.
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