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Jogger killed by wolves shows wisdom of national park gun rule change
Louis Gun Rights Examiner ^ | March 13, 2010 | Kurt Hofmann

Posted on 03/13/2010 3:24:18 PM PST by george76

We recently looked at the growing threat posed by the presence of violent drug gangs on pubplic land, such as national parks, and the wisdom of no longer mandating that park visitors be rendered unable to defend themselves from that danger.

While the greatest threat of violence is undoubtedly posed by rogue humans, a recent tragedy reminds us that sometimes, lethal danger walks on four legs.

we were constantly told that wild places like national parks are "oases of peace in a violent society," and thus having a means of self-defense in such places is unnecessary.

Some of our national parks contain quite a lot of wolves, and "the extremely low risks" would be of cold comfort while being torn apart when one does find oneself on the wrong end of that low risk.

Here in Missouri and Illinois, of course, wolves aren't a factor. Missouri does have, on the other hand, quite a lot of coyotes, like the ones that killed young Canadian folksinger Taylor Mitchell.

With a firearm, enough training and practice to gain proficiency, and the will to resist and prevail, a visitor to our national parks can protect herself from any assailants, whether on two legs or four.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alaska; US: Illinois; US: Missouri; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; banglist; coyotes; examiner; g79; nationalparks; rewilding; ruralcleansing; wolf; wolfpack; wolfpacks; wolves
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To: montanajoe

You walked...

Maybe the jogger was more interesting because he was running.

Glad you’ve never been unlucky. But, man, it was mostly just luck.


41 posted on 03/13/2010 7:56:24 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993905/posts)
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To: Carry_Okie; SLB

I wouldn’t want to take on a “pack” of wolves much less one with a bag of grenades.....much less a select fire EBR and help........ they want ya they will get ya !


42 posted on 03/13/2010 9:34:24 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: george76; Jeremiah Jr
Jogger killed by wolves shows wisdom...

Now there's a headline that starts out on the wrong foot.

43 posted on 03/13/2010 9:38:34 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: george76
Can you carry a gun now on any federal land, or just in National Parks, or what?

For example, I have some land near me that is owned by the federal Bureau of Reclamation and managed by the state of CA because it's not currently being used for the purpose the fed acquired it. Can I carry a holstered, unloaded weapon on such public land?

44 posted on 03/13/2010 11:45:35 PM PST by SierraWasp (Hey Democrats! Stop tryna jerk everybody around by their healthcare!!! Especially you, 0bama!!!)
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To: Bushbacker1
Wolves, bears and other wild animals in National Parks are not cuddly, fuzzy animals as many think.

They don't stay in the parks, either. They don't care about some srbitrary line.

45 posted on 03/13/2010 11:55:53 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: HChampagne

Dumb a**.


46 posted on 03/14/2010 5:11:02 AM PDT by calex59
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To: SierraWasp

Any fed land that hasn’t been declared a national park or game reserve dose not restrict the carrying of firearms on it, to the best of my knowledge. In my area of CA there is a lot of small parcels such as you describe and hunters I know carry and hunt on them frequently.


47 posted on 03/14/2010 5:20:40 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Travis McGee
Let 500 wolves loose in Central Park, and forbid New Yorkers to “harrass” them in any way.

Take a walk alone through Central Park at midnight. The wolves are already there. No fur bearing creatures need be imported.

48 posted on 03/14/2010 5:35:55 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Note to self: Never post in a thread about religion again.)
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To: george76

When I was a child, I was taught that wolves would never attack people, and have never attacked people.

Then I got old enough to research for myself, and found that was a bald faced lie. Wolves, like any predator, will hunt and kill people if given a chance.

Just like cougars were presented as harmless, till they started eating joggers for lunch.


49 posted on 03/14/2010 5:55:46 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SierraWasp

I do not know about your situation in CA, but many carry loaded and use on BLM, USFS...land in Colorado.

BLM and USFS generally has been less of a worry than NPS. No telling what is in a back pack.


50 posted on 03/14/2010 7:02:59 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: redgolum; jazusamo; girlangler; proud_yank; Carry_Okie

Too many city liberals still believe the Disneyland view of wildlife.

Hence the old joke about little brass bells scaring away bears and wolves.


51 posted on 03/14/2010 7:07:18 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: hiredhand
They told me the best thing you could do was find a tree as soon as possible and climb it.

It's hard for an urban public to wrap its "brains" around pack behavior. To wolves in search of a kill, everything is expendable, including each other. Hence, they will attack without regard for the losses because, they're food too.

52 posted on 03/14/2010 7:14:13 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Travis McGee

‘Let 500 hungry wolves loose in Central Park, and forbid New Yorkers to “harrass” them in any way, then do let the wolves loose in every left wing legislature filled with “critter” lovers starting with NY, California, Oregon, Washington, New Mexico and Colorado. Then, take the wolves to DC and let them lose in the Democrat caucus rooms for the $inate and Hou$e. Then, let them roam and hunt in the EPA buildings and National Park Buildings in DC.”

Then, let the wolves loose in Sierra Club and Peta meetings.


53 posted on 03/14/2010 8:06:04 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: george76; redgolum; girlangler; proud_yank; Carry_Okie
Beautiful animals but definitely not cuddly, they'll eat you.

Wolf
Wolf gray

54 posted on 03/14/2010 9:29:18 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: midwyf

How do those wolf introductions work out with newborn
calves?


55 posted on 03/14/2010 9:30:53 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: jazusamo; george76

Yes, it is a beautiful animal.

I don’t know that I’d want to live with them, with them having special protections prohibiting me from protecting my life and property.


56 posted on 03/14/2010 9:40:21 AM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: calex59; george76

Thanks to you both.


57 posted on 03/14/2010 9:45:48 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Hey Democrats! Stop tryna jerk everybody around by their healthcare!!! Especially you, 0bama!!!)
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To: girlangler

Exactly!

Their reintroduction to the lower 48 at the insistence of the econuts is a huge problem in cost to the American taxpayer, depredation of wildlife that will cost the states dollars they’d otherwise take in from sportsmen and the danger to humans.

Our ecosystem seems to have worked just fine without the wolf since the 1930s. The econuts unfortunately got the ear of the FWS and some politicians in DC and it’ll be very expensive in more ways than one.


58 posted on 03/14/2010 9:58:38 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: george76

So, don’t they need to now go out and exterminate that wolf pack?

Humans are not on the normal list of prey. Now that this pack has eaten a human being, they are going to consider people part of their entree. That is very dangerous. Fish and Wildlife needs to be very aggressive in attempting to exterminate this pack of wolves before they start dragging children off into the woods.

This is a serious problem.


59 posted on 03/14/2010 11:55:15 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 43... 42... 41...)
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To: lapsus calami; Carry_Okie

>The predator class of forest fauna perceives a jogging or running human as food making a getaway and react accordingly.<

You appear to be the only one here who understands that the predator class will attack anything it thinks is afraid and fleeing from them.


60 posted on 03/14/2010 12:30:46 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Should people be questioning their government? Yes and "Where's the birth certificate?")
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