Posted on 03/13/2010 5:07:52 PM PST by SloopJohnB
Better yet...wake the F up: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2470527/posts
Thanks- great idea. Will do.I wonder if someone can start a national campaign that would send faxes/letters to presidents of all Catholic hospitals to have this Catholic religious imposter removed from office? Good place to start is EWTN
its a phony non Catholic group with a fax machine.
This article is about CHA, not CACG.
Remember the Jewish community voted for Hussein. The miners’ union voted for him after he swore to shut them down. Now the Catholics want a healthcare bill supporting abortion. Nothing surprises me anymore.
This is a fake Catholic group. Not even Catholics, in fact.
You are wrong in your list of assumptions.
Those are not REAL Catholics.
They are CINOs.
Why are you bashing all Catholics?
Some of the most upstanding Catholics I know are on this forum.
Today, a far left pro-abortion group that calls itself a “Catholics in Alliance For the Common Good” published a dishonest letter that suggested that a Catholic organization backed the democrat’s pro-abortion takeover of the health care industry. This supposed Catholic group is a who’s who of far left radicals.
Wouldn't be a new, recently formed and (liberal) funded, "socially conscious" group, would it?
And I can't help but point out that just because a "group" says it "represents" Catholic hospitals, that doesn't automatically mean that "group" has Catholics' best interests (or the Catholic Church for that matter) in mind.
>> “Catholics in Alliance For the Common Good”
Heretics.
“Why are you bashing all Catholics?”
Not really bashing all Catholics except in the sense you (as a group) refuse to police your own.
Regardless of fringe groups like this Catholics, as a group, have allowed and supported politicians like this for decades. Yes many Catholics are fine and upstanding people. Why have they stood back and allowed their own to play both sides?
BENEDICT XVI
“The State which would provide everything, absorbing everything into itself, would ultimately become a mere bureaucracy incapable of guaranteeing the very thing which the suffering person − every person − needs: namely, loving personal concern.
"We do not need a State which regulates and controls everything, but a State which, in accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, generously acknowledges and supports initiatives arising from the different social forces and combines spontaneity with closeness to those in need.
"In the end, the claim that just social structures would make works of charity superfluous masks a materialist conception of man: the mistaken notion that man can live ‘by bread alone’ (Mt 4:4; cf. Dt 8:3) − a conviction that demeans man and ultimately disregards all that is specifically human.” (Encyclical Deus Caritas Est, December 25, 2005, n. 28)
That's just a sample --- I could cut-and-paste pages, but that's not needed --- and these quotes are fully representative of the teaching of every Pope (you can click this) ---since +Pius IX, whose mid-19th century writings against socialism were contemporaneous with the publication of the works of Karl Marx.
It is not the Popes who should be faulted for not teaching, it is the U.S. Catholic Bishops who should be faulted for not listening. (They are notably negligent on a number of canonical duties, including Canon 915--- but that's a topic for another day!) (God save all sinners, including that unworthy meddlesome biddy known as Mrs. Don-o.)
Their problem, if I, though myself negligent, may sound a precise note of judgment here, is in their lack of fidelity to the teachings of the Church --- their failure to act like Catholics.
Catholics have the best possible denomination for “church discipline” because an excommunicated Catholic can’t just go down the street to the next church and walk in after being kicked out for apostasy or divisiveness.
They choose, instead, to say the individual has “self-excommunicated” and then will suffer eternal judgement, but there is no visible consequence in this life.
That shows others that there will be no consequences for apostate beliefs, and therefore does not serve as a deterrent for those beliefs and behaviors,
thus condemning others to “self-excommunication” who might otherwise be saved.
All that is good to know...but can the Bishop of Rome remove these apostate bishops? That is, removing those who allow the state to control our lives?
As it is, the Pope does not unilaterally fire bishops. As far as I know (and I am no canonical expert) ordinarily bishops' offices can only be vacated by death, resignation, or specific violation of canon law, of which the bishop has been convicted in a canonical court.
Now in my opinion, almost each and every Bishop in the USA is in violation of Canon 915, to which I alluded before.
Archbishop Raymond Burke, the head of the Church equivalent of the "Supreme Court" in Rome, is apparently in agreement that these bishops are violating canon law, but it has all become a huge controversy in the church, partly because of the Church's desire to leave civil government in the hands of civil government, and not be seen as trying to control governments through means of church discipline.
The outcome of this is far from certain.
I have very strong views on it myself, but of course, I'm not the pope. (By the way, I just talked about this and related topics, to a member of my bishop's staff yesterday.)
Please pray for us. We urgently need it.
We pray for all Christians in the world. The spiritually pure leaders of all Christian faiths need to speak out forcefully and take action. The Lord Jesus demands it.
Amen.
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