Posted on 06/30/2010 12:04:03 AM PDT by neverdem
It is a common belief that the "Arab-Israeli conflict" is a conflict of two peoples fighting over the same piece of land and is therefore one of nationalism. Rarely, if ever, do we hear or read of the religious component to this conflict.
However, if anything, the conflict is more of a "Muslim-Jewish" one than an "Arab-Israeli" one. In other words, the conflict is based on religion -- Islam vs. Judaism -- cloaked in Arab nationalism vs. Zionism. The fact of the matter is that in every Arab-Israeli war, from 1948 to the present, cries of "jihad," "Allahu Akbar," and the bloodcurdling scream of "Idbah al- Yahud" (slaughter the Jews) have resonated amongst even the most secular of Arab leaders, be it Nasser in the 1950s and 1960s or the supposedly "secular" PLO of the 1960s to the present. Indeed, the question must be asked: If this is really a conflict of different nationalisms and not Islamic supremacism, then why is it that virtually no non-Arab Muslim states have full (if any) relations with Israel?
There is a common Arabic slogan that is chanted in the Middle East: "Khaybar, Khaybar! Oh Jews, remember. The armies of Muhammad are returning!" It would be most interesting to know how many people have ever heard what -- or more precisely, where -- Khaybar is, and what the Arabs mean by such a slogan. A short history of the Jews of Arabia is needed in order to explain this, and why Islam remains so inflexible in its hostile attitude towards Jews and Israel.
Until the founder of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdallah, proclaimed himself "Messenger of Allah" in the 7th century, Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully in the Arabian Peninsula. Indeed, the Jews -- and Judaism -- were respected to such an extent that an Arab king converted to Judaism in the 5th century. His name was Dhu Nuwas, and he ruled over the Himyar (present day Yemen) area of the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, it is most likely that the city of Medina (the second-holiest city in Islam) -- then called Yathrib -- was originally founded by Jews. In any event, at the time of Muhammad's "calling," three important Jewish tribes existed in Arabia: Banu Qurayza, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qaynuqa.
Muhammad was very keen on having the Jews accept him as a prophet to the extent that he charged his followers not to eat pig and to pray in the direction of Jerusalem. However, the Jews apparently were not very keen on Muhammad, his proclamation of himself as a prophet, or his poor knowledge of the Torah (Hebrew Bible). Numerous verbal altercations are recorded in the Qur'an and various Hadiths about these conflicts between the Jewish tribes and Muhammad.
"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad."
Euripides Greek tragic dramatist (484 BC - 406 BC)
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Good find and so true. Thanks.
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Charlie Manson is sane by comparison.
Ishmeal was the father of the Arabs, and Issac of the Jews.
Now the angel of the LORD found her (Hagar, Ishmael's mother) by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. He said, Hagar, Sarais maid, where have you come from and where are you going?
And she said, I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai. (Isaac's mother) Then the angel of the LORD said to her, Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority. Moreover, the angel of the LORD said to her, I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.
The angel of the LORD said to her further, Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction.
He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyones hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.
It has always been a title question, and this author is correct. It is not an Arab-Israeli conflict, but a muslim-Jewish conflict. The muslims believe that they own the land because ishmael was the first born. But G-d gave the land to Issac, and then to Jacob, and therein lies the problem.
But, don’t worry the Fed/Guv will spend billion$ and billion$ more on phoney treatys between the 2, even as Bin Laddie has declared war on us and the govmt is happily sacrificeing young soldiers to die. Hitler and Tojo must indeed be spinning.
The author is correct, but it is even bigger than he projects.
The conflict is ultimately a "Satan-God" one.
Israel (and especially Jerusalem) are the front line of battle on this earth between God and Satan, between Good and Evil.
This is an excellent book that (using biblical references) spells it all out in clear detail.
Thus says the LORD 'Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it' (Zechariah 12:2,3).
If you have ever wondered why the Jewish people have been so persecuted, why the world's media is so biased against Israel, why seemingly reasonable people come unglued when the subject of Israel and the Jews comes up, and why so much has happened throughout history (and will happen) that concentrates in this little patch of land, I urge people to read the bible, and read that book.
The Torah is the link between Heavebn and earth and for this reason, Evil, which is it’s own highest authority, despises the Jews. Evil ALWAYS hates the jews.
They needed to write this article?? Not for me.
So 1400 years of strife, death and destruction can be traced back to the Jews dissing Muhammad... Wonderful.
"The Torah is the link between Heaven and earth and for this reason, Evil, which is its own highest authority, despises the Jews."
"Evil ALWAYS hates the Jews."
“He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyones hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”
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We discussed this Passage in Our Daily Thread, called “Pray For The Peace of Jerusalem”.
The literal Translation of “live to the east of his brothers” in Hebrew is IN HIS BROTHER’S FACE, as in our modern expression “in your face”. Interesting, as it is SO applicable to our times!
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Too bad they don’t teach all of the above at Harvard, or wherever they get their degrees!
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Allahu Akbar
For the Muslims, it’s not so deeply theological. The Islamic message is very seductive; you are a victim while at the same time not only entitled, but obliged to spread your way of life by force across the globe — even if this means wiping out the majority of the world’s population.
Islam’s dogmatism has kept the Islamic world backward for centuries, but Western appetite for petroleum in combination with our declining birthrates and general self-loathing has provided for an opportunity for Islam to spread into the rest of the world like a cancer.
Consequently, the future of Western civilization — if not mankind itself — has never been more bleak.
...the conflict is more of a "Muslim-Jewish" one than an "Arab-Israeli" one. In other words, the conflict is based on religion -- Islam vs. Judaism -- cloaked in Arab nationalism vs. Zionism. The fact of the matter is that in every Arab-Israeli war, from 1948 to the present, cries of "jihad," "Allahu Akbar," and the bloodcurdling scream of "Idbah al- Yahud" (slaughter the Jews) have resonated amongst even the most secular of Arab leaders, be it Nasser in the 1950s and 1960s or the supposedly "secular" PLO of the 1960s to the present. Indeed, the question must be asked: If this is really a conflict of different nationalisms and not Islamic supremacism, then why is it that virtually no non-Arab Muslim states have full (if any) relations with Israel?
...Until the founder of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdallah, proclaimed himself "Messenger of Allah" in the 7th century, Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully in the Arabian Peninsula. Indeed, the Jews -- and Judaism -- were respected to such an extent that an Arab king converted to Judaism in the 5th century. His name was Dhu Nuwas, and he ruled over the Himyar (present day Yemen) area of the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, it is most likely that the city of Medina (the second-holiest city in Islam) -- then called Yathrib -- was originally founded by Jews. In any event, at the time of Muhammad's "calling," three important Jewish tribes existed in Arabia: Banu Qurayza, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qaynuqa.
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