Puritans were more Jewish than Protestants

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[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Not really all that accurate. I think the author could stand to read the section about the Puritans in Fischer's Albion's Seed: The Four British Folkways in America. Further, trying to coopt the covenants of Israel as the Puritans did (and many of today's Calvinists still do) is a very far cry from saying that they were more "Jewish" than "Protestant."

[balch3]

I appreciate their part in the founding of this nation...but I wouldn’t have wanted to live among them. They seemed a grim, humorless bunch.

[cripplecreek]

You’ve never heard of Cotton Matherstein?

[SoftwareEngineer]

I think they would NOT

1. Have en bloc voted democratic
2. Been mostly atheist
3. Supported abortion
4. Supported suppresion of religion in the public sphere

So, more likely they were Israeli but certainly not American Jewish, a group that has forgotten mostly about its covenant with God. Many (majority) of American Jews think they are an “ethnicity” as opposed to the CHOSEN TRIBE that made a covenant with GOD

Go Israel! Go Israeli Jews!
NO GO American Jews

[hosepipe]

All bibles are Jewish.. and all the first christians were Jewish..
Little wonder cause GOD is Jewish..

[dennisw]

They seemed a grim, humorless bunch.>>>>>

You would be grim and humorless and disciplined too if you moved to an alien continent with deep dark forests and were surrounded by hostiles who took scalps and found prolonged torture of prisoners to be the highest entertainment

I’m sure they would have been much more pleasant chaps if (like us) they had cable TV and DVD players and idiotic Hollywood movies to watch to take the edge off. Screw that God fantasy. I like Hollywood’s pagan fantasies better

[P.O.E.]

I think their image has been somewhat co-opted by stereotype. Their creed was more moderation, rather than abstinence (see: Shakers)

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Oh of course! Him and Yochanan Winthropsky were great Torah teachers!

So was Yonatan Edwardstein.

[fso301]

Interesting but I need to think about this as I never before heard it.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

You would be grim and humorless and disciplined too if you moved to an alien continent with deep dark forests and were surrounded by hostiles who took scalps and found prolonged torture of prisoners to be the highest entertainment

Don't mess with their women, either. One time, after Indian raiding parties had captured a bunch of fishermen from the coastal settlements, a group of rioting fishermen's wives actually tore two Indian captives apart, limb by limb (seriously!)

[dennisw]

Your summation would be, the Puritans appreciated the struggles of the ancient Israelites and tried to emulate them. They saw their struggles as being similar and America was the promised land for them

Today’s American Jews would do well to copy the Puritans.

Here is book Glenn Beck likes and has had the author on a few times——>>>

America’s Prophet: Moses and the American Story
http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Prophet-Moses-American-Story/dp/0060574887

[Vendome]

That is the stupidest concept for an article and a huge leap of premise.

They were not more Jewish than ????

Nor were they going to find parity with Jews, a separate and distinct religion, who would not find anything about Christianity part of their doctrine or fulfillment of prophecy, even today.

(did I just make a run on sentence?)

[Vendome]

ROTFLMAO!!!

[Oztrich Boy]

They didn’t look Jewish.

[Sparky1776]

Let’s not confuse the Puritans (think John Kerry) of Mass Bay & Salem Colony and the more liberal Pilgrims of the Plimouth Colony.

[dennisw]

Haym Solomon-The prime financier of the American Revolution who died penniless

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Drawing of Haym Solomon by C. Noar, from NARA.

Haym Solomon (or Salomon) (1740 – January 6, 1785) was a Polish Jew who immigrated to New York during the period of the American Revolution, and who became a prime financier of the American side during the American Revolutionary War against Great Britain.

[edit] Early years

The son of a rabbi^{[citation needed]}, Solomon was born in Leszno (Poland). In the 1700s, he journeyed throughout western Europe, during which time he acquired a knowledge of finance as well as fluency in several languages. He returned to Poland in 1770 but left two years later during the Partitions of Poland.^[1] After traveling to England, Solomon immigrated to New York City in 1775, where he established himself as a financial broker for merchants engaged in overseas trade.

[edit] Revolutionary activity

Sympathizing with the Patriot cause, Solomon joined the New York branch of the Sons of Liberty. In September 1776, he was arrested as a spy but the British pardoned him, only after serving 18 months of his sentence and claims of torture on a British boat, in order to use his abilities as an interpreter for their Hessian mercenaries. Solomon used his position to help prisoners of the British escape and encouraged the Hessians to desert the war effort. In 1778 Solomon was arrested again and sentenced to death, but he managed to escape, whereupon he made his way with his family to the rebel capital in Philadelphia.^[2]

Once resettled, Solomon resumed his activities as a broker. He became the agent to the French consul, as well as the paymaster for the French forces in North America. In 1781, he began working extensively with Robert Morris, the newly appointed Superintendent for Finance for the Thirteen Colonies.^[3] Often working out of the "London Coffee House" in Philadelphia, Solomon sold about $600,000 in Bills of Exchange to his clients, netting about 2.5% per sale. During this period he had to turn to Morris for help when one sale of over $50,000 nearly sent him to prison. Morris used his position and influence to sue the defrauder and saved Solomon from default and disaster.

In August of 1781, the continental army had trapped Lieutenant General Charles Cornwallis in the little Virginia coastal town of Yorktown. George Washington and the main army and the Count de Rochambeau with his French army decided to march from the Hudson Highlands to Yorktown and deliver the final blow. But Washington's war chest was completely empty, as was that of Congress. Washington determined that he needed at least $20,000 to finance the campaign. When Morris told him there were no funds and no credit available, Washington gave him a simple but eloquent order: "Send for Haym Salomon". Haym again came through, and the $20,000 was raised. Washington conducted the Yorktown campaign, which proved to be the final battle of the Revolution, thanks to Haym Salomon.^[4]

Solomon negotiated the sale of a majority of the war aid from France and Holland, selling bills of exchange to American merchants. Solomon also personally supported various members of the Continental Congress during their stay in Philadelphia, including James Madison and James Wilson. Acting as the patriot he was, he requested below market interest rates, and he never asked for repayment.^[5]

The Treaty of Paris, signed on September 3, 1783, ended the Revolutionary War but not the financial problems of the newly established nation. It was Haym Salomon who managed, time-after-time, to raise the money to bailout the debt-ridden government.

[Sparky1776]

The funny thing is the Pilgrims kept things kosher - no crabs, lobsters, etc - they almost starved (1/2 did) because they wouldn’t eat anything found on the beach.

[dennisw]

Stamp of Approval
March 2001—Special Tercentennial Edition
by Dan Oren '79, '84MD

Adapted from Dan A. Oren, Joining The Club: A History of Jews and Yale, Second Edition, Yale University Press, 2001. Dr. Oren is an associate professor of psychiatry at the Yale School of Medicine.

While everyone who has received a Yale degree has at least glanced at the University's seal impressed on the document, few know the stamp's history, especially the origins of the apparent incongruity between a college founded by Christian divines and their choice of a Hebrew inscription. Even the origin of the Latin presents a puzzle.

A Yale diploma has long been a passport to opportunity, but explaining the equivalent of the customs stamp that validates it remains something of a challenge. To unravel the mystery, one must go back to Yale's origins, and beyond.

Although Yale's early leaders had spiritual aspirations for their college and saw themselves as American successors to the ancient Israelites, why would such a group of ardently Christian ministers have placed Hebrew words at the center of their corporate logo, and why the particular Latin accompaniment?

The two Hebrew words (Urim v'Thummim) at the center of the official Yale seal appear eight times in the Hebrew Bible. Jewish sources considered them oracular gems worn by the high priest Aaron. And their presence in Leviticus 8:8—the middle verse of the Pentateuch—suggests that they identify the book on the Yale seal as the Bible itself.

We have no proof yet that a seal was actually employed before 1736, when Yale's Latin diplomas began to note the college's sigillum. The 1749 master's diploma of future Yale President Ezra Stiles—donated to the University last year by his great-great-great-granddaughters Ann Prouty and Martha Munro—displays the oldest surviving and legible Yale seal known. It is strikingly similar to the one used today. It is also similar to a Harvard seal produced in 1650. Where Harvard had then written, In Christi Gloriam, "For the Glory of Christ." Yale inscribed the familiar, Lux et Veritas—"Light and Truth." Where Harvard had placed three blank books and a chevron, Yale depicted one book with two Delphic Hebrew words.

Lest Harvard partisans assume that Yale usurped Harvard's Veritas motto, adding a touch of Lux to it, they should know that although a 1643 Harvard sketch shows Veritas drawn on three books, in fact Harvard did not make Veritas its motto or use it on its regular seal until 1843, nearly a century after Yale had selected its motto. Harvard historian Samuel Eliot Morison conjectured that the common teaching of theologian William Ames at Yale and Harvard inspired both institutions in their search for appropriate language. Yet the answer for Harvard may not have been the solution for Yale, and the reasons must be sought in the theology of the day.

Clarification of the Hebrew words may reside in Yale's primary divinity text, Johannes Wollebius's The Abridgement of Christian Divinitie, which was then studied all afternoon every Friday by Yale students as part of the long preparation for the Christian Sabbath. Wollebius's book was of such importance, Samuel Johnson (Class of 1714) noted sarcastically, that it was "considered with equal or greater veneration than the Bible itself." In Wollebius's text we find an interpretation of the Hebrew words that might surprise 21st-century readers: "Urim and Thummim. did signify Christ the Word and Interpreter of the Father, our light and perfection." Harvard's 1650 In Christi Gloriam motto celebrated the glory of Christ. In their own way, Yale's Hebrew words may have done no less.

The 1726 Yale college laws, reflecting such devotion, characteristically ordained that: "Every student shall consider ye main end of his study.to know God in Jesus Christ and answerably to lead a Godly sober life." To the ancient Hebrews, the Urim and Thummim reflected the oracular will of God. To the Puritans who shaped early Yale, that oracular will was represented by Jesus. Their seal proclaimed it!

The Urim and Thummim seal may have had religio-political overtones as well. The date on which the trustees first applied for a seal, October 17, 1722, was no random one in Yale history. Meeting in New Haven, the trustees were likely preoccupied with the greatest scandal in the University's history. Rector Timothy Cutler had just publicly challenged the ordination of virtually every minister in New England, thereby attacking the foundations of New England society. Cutler's earthshaking Anglican-Arminian declaration has been compared by Yale historian Brooks M. Kelley to the 20th-century equivalent of a Yale President declaring that Russian communism was superior to American democracy.

On October 17, 1722, the Yale trustees fired Cutler and instituted a confession of faith to be required of Yale faculty. The Wollebius book, with the anti-Arminian stance that it took, would therefore have been an especially fitting source for the Yale motto. In this context the request for a seal that day had far more than decorative significance; it was likely a declaration of Yale ideals.

If we return to the Latin Lux et Veritas, a remaining question is of how the common translation from that era of Thummim as "perfection," became Veritas or "truth." By 1735 (the year before the Yale seal began to appear on Yale diplomas), under the stimulus of Jonathan Edwards, theological battles between "New Lights" and "Old Lights" were raging in Connecticut. The "New Lights" attacked the established order by questioning the value of education outside of understanding Jesus. Many "Old Lights" thought religious knowledge was central to an education, but hardly sufficient for one. The latter opinion prevailed at Yale. Mathematics and metaphysics, insisted Yale's leaders, had to go hand in hand with theology and ethics. By choosing to translate Urim V'Thummim as Lux et Veritas, it seems—in contrast to the one-dimensional approach of Harvard—Yale insisted that its college offered the essentials of proper learning: the "light" of a liberal education and the "truth" of an old New England religious tradition.  

[dennisw]

Let’s not confuse the Puritans (think John Kerry) of Mass Bay & Salem Colony and the more liberal Pilgrims of the Plimouth Colony.>>>>>>>>>

His father was 100% Jewish which Lurch has always been in denial about and has always minimalized and covered up. He is Forbes via his mother and the Forbes go back to the China trade and earlier I suppose. Forbes have been in America for a long time