Posted on 08/27/2010 9:50:21 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Well, after I yelled at people and defended them and trusted them, huh?
This is my personal Rubicon. Either we have a democracy or we do not. If we do not have a democracy, I won't be forced to choose between one party's anti-democratic leaders and another's.
Lisa Murkowski, in all likelihood, lost. That is how we score things in America. We take our cases to the people, who are, supposedly, sovereign.
If the NRSC continues attempting to thwart the sovereignty of the people, I'm personally out, and I don't care anymore if Obama's Democrats win. I really don't, and I'm not being ironic. This isn't a parody post: This is real.
It's not that I'm so personally invested in Joe Miller. I am, but not that much. He came on my radar late.
It's that I'm personally invested in democracy. 90% of the reason I am anti-liberal is that they are anti-democratic. I fled the insanity of liberal tyranny for the conservative movement for this reason, first among all others (and all others aren't very close).
If the Republican Party is a royalist party, then I flee them as well, and I confess my error: The more radical elements of the Tea Party are right, third party is the only way possible, even if it means living under socialist rule for a generation.
Lisa Murkowski is attempting to run as a representative of a different party. She is not then a Republican. Helping her is thus contrary to the NRSC's mission. She can either attempt to capture the Republican Party's nomination through recounts and such, and swear in a written document to not pursue another party's nomination, or she can stop using the services and influence of the NRSC.
She cannot do both. Either she seeks the Republican nomination, in which case she will abide by the will of the Republican voters, or she can seek another party's nomination, in which case she is not entitled to any assistance from a party she has departed and declared to be her opponent.
John Cornyn represents a red state, a state whose voters generally want more, not less, conservative politicians in other states.
Would his voters in Texas like to know that his primary goal is not the furtherance of the conservative movement but defeating the Jim DeMint conservative faction? Would his supposed constituents in Texas like to know he's really more concerned with maintaining a block of like-minded Senators in Maine and Alaska than furthering the goals of most of the people he supposedly represents?
I move and second the motion.
Ping.
Instead of giving up, why not continue working to replace the royalist, liberal leaders of the Republican Party with conservatives?
Just think of where that might lead!
You mean like attempting to replace Murkowski with Miller, right...?
We are not a democracy, we are a republic.
While I understand the author’s complaint ... I must correct his assertion. We do NOT live in a democracy. We live in a Republic.
Further supporting the author's point.
Exactly. And that includes tracking the actions of the NSRC, closely monitoring the ballot count and possible recount process, exposing any fraud and naming names. An organized NSRC boycott might also be in the cards.
You don't win if you quit in the face of opposition.
Joe Miller should read the post-Bush/Gore books to get tips on the Dem counting/recounting strategy-—before you know it, they have the total to win.
Texas lawyer Jim Baker was the legal eagle that outmaneuvererd the Gore team and got the USSC to stop the crooked Dem count.
Course, we don’t know whose side Baker is on here.
Will America have the luxury of being able to mount a sufficiently massive third party after “living under socialist rule for a generation.” A socialism which is energetic enough to cut off every pass and keep it actively guarded. A socialism which would love to give just enough slack to a third party to ensure its perpetual Peroting into power.
The best practical plan at this point is to refurbish the party of Lincoln, the GOP, to re-energize it with pols who really do care what the people want to see their government do. The season of Obama has made this far easier than it has been in decades. The opportunity should not be missed.
>>> An organized NSRC boycott might also be in the cards.
No ‘might’ about it. DEFUND is so it DIES.
Give directly to candidates. Period.
Thirded (at least, haven’t read the whole thread).
You don't win if you quit in the face of opposition.
The first statement is bedrock conservative principle.
The second one, regrettably, is rah-rah.
The Republican Party can more readily keep me (and others like me) by adhering more closely to the first than the second.
I don’t understand what’s happening here. Can someone explain it? What’s Murkowski doing?
She can either attempt to capture the Republican Party’s nomination through recounts and such, and swear in a written document to not pursue another party’s nomination, or she can stop using the services and influence of the NRSC.
She cannot do both. Either she seeks the Republican nomination, in which case she will abide by the will of the Republican voters, or she can seek another party’s nomination, in which case she is not entitled to any assistance from a party she has departed and declared to be her opponent.
Apparently, he has reasons to believe that when she loses, she intends to make a third party run to try spoil Joe Miller’s chance in the general election.
Link at second sentence in original posting.
A representative republic with democratically selected representatives. (There used to be one level of indirection in the selection of Senators; indirection lives on, in principle, through the Electoral College which gives each state a certain amount of credit in presidential contests for simply being a state.)
Murkowski has every right to wait for all of the votes that were cast to have been counted before acknowledging defeat. Between early voting, absentees, and challenged ballots, there are still on the order of 20,000 votes (more than 10x the margin of votes counted so far) outstanding. Now, many of those are for the Democrat primary, but it’s probably safe to stay that 12-15 thousand votes are still to be counted.
The NRSC, on the other hand, should butt way the hell out.
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