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U.S. Will Enforce Marijuana Laws, (California) State Vote Aside
NY TImes ^ | 10/15/10 | Adam Nagourny

Posted on 10/16/2010 6:50:39 PM PDT by Bokababe

LOS ANGELES — The Department of Justice says it intends to prosecute marijuana laws in California aggressively even if state voters approve an initiative on the Nov. 2 ballot to legalize the drug.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; california; commerce; commerceclause; ericholder; legalizeharddrugs; libertarians; marijuana; medicalmarijuana; menotlikehelmetlaws; prop19; statesrights; tenthamendment
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Regardless of your opinion of marijuana legalization, if this passes -- and it looks like it will -- this could be one of those few times (along with the water issue) Liberal California will have a real State's Rights vs Federal Government fight. And more people across the State personally care about marijuana legalization than they do about water to the San Joaquin Valley. "Obama vs California" will be a real trip!
1 posted on 10/16/2010 6:50:43 PM PDT by Bokababe
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To: dcwusmc; bamahead; djsherin; rabscuttle385; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; AuntB; EveningStar; ...

State’s Rights Ping!


2 posted on 10/16/2010 6:51:40 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

And for that reason alone, I will be voting for it. I was going to vote against it or leave it alone, but when Holder opened his commie mouth, that was it.


3 posted on 10/16/2010 6:53:51 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: Bokababe
"Obama vs California" will be a real trip!

Lol. "A real trip!" That's a good one.

4 posted on 10/16/2010 6:54:18 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Bokababe

I don’t agree with the new law, but I don’t agree with the feds even more. It appears that I - as a science geek - appear to understand the constitution more than the complete idiot septic tank dwellers in DC.

It’s time for a revolution, folks.

I won’t ask, or tell - if you just say no.


5 posted on 10/16/2010 6:54:33 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Bokababe

I guess the Feds are looking for a piece of tax pie in the event 19 passes—right now revenue only goes to the state right? Can’t have that so it will be legal when they tell you it will be legal


6 posted on 10/16/2010 7:00:59 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Bokababe

Why was a constitutional amendment needed to outlaw liquor on a national basis, yet cannibis can be outlawed nationwide with simply a statute?


7 posted on 10/16/2010 7:01:07 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: Bokababe
If marijuana is legalized here and the Feds ignore the State Law & continue to prosecute, every Democrat in the State will be in the hot seat as to what side they are on -- Obama's or California's?

Marijuana legalization is a very big pile of doodoo for the Democrats and they just don't know it yet!

8 posted on 10/16/2010 7:05:52 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: HerrBlucher

“....And for that reason alone, I will be voting for it.....”

Ever heard of reverse psychology? The Dems aren’t beyond using that to stir the Ire of the Sheeple, and cause them to vote the way they want them to.

Voting NO on #19 is still the best bet for California.


9 posted on 10/16/2010 7:07:35 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Bokababe
Agreed that it should be a state's rights issue.

That said I'm totally opposed to the legalization of drugs.

On another board someone posted...(excerpted)

I have yet to see/hear of anyone dying from smoking marijuana

It isn't what they do to themselves, it's what they do to innocents.

Witnesses told Officer Smakosz they saw Mr. Cope hit Ms. Styles, 36, and then back over her again. The officer arrived to find Ms. Styles bleeding profusely and her children screaming but unharmed.

Toxicology results revealed Mr. Cope had marijuana in his system at the time of the crash. Officers said they smelled the odor of the drug in his vehicle.

The doper later admitted to smoking (and using other drugs but it had to be the "other drugs" right?).

DUIs? Same thing. Let's compound the problem by letting dopers get their fix and kill people like Lisa Clay Styles.

10 posted on 10/16/2010 7:07:38 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts are holding The Constitution together as the Loose Screws of The Left come undone!)
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To: Bokababe

Unfortunately, the battle was already fought and lost. The US Supreme Court has already ruled the federal government can enforce its laws against marijuana regardless of state law. I think Clarence Thomas has it right (he argued that medical marijuana had nothing to do with interstate commerce).


11 posted on 10/16/2010 7:08:23 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: CitizenUSA
Unfortunately, the battle was already fought and lost. The US Supreme Court has already ruled the federal government can enforce its laws against marijuana regardless of state law. I think Clarence Thomas has it right (he argued that medical marijuana had nothing to do with interstate commerce).

If California bars all CA police officers for providing any cooperation with federal authorities on this matter, regardless of any "grant" the feds might offer to buy cooperation, then the feds will have a hard time enforcing the law. If California combines that with a vigorous "jury nullification" education program, then the feds will really be in trouble.

12 posted on 10/16/2010 7:14:09 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: rockinqsranch

Marijuana was made illegal on false pretenses in order to support the huge bureacracy formed by prohibition. Yes it could be reverse psychology but I think it is more about control, and now that Holder, who was probably a doper himself in school, has power he doesn’t want to give up any of it.

Obama and gang are NOT libertarians, just the opposite, they are fascists.


13 posted on 10/16/2010 7:14:13 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: funfan

I wonder how many attorneys would instantly go on social services if pot was legalized nationwide? There’s a lot of money in keeping it illegal.


14 posted on 10/16/2010 7:21:07 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Bokababe

Is this a ploy to get all mj users to vote D
whether they be Republican or whatever.


15 posted on 10/16/2010 7:28:42 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: I_Like_Spam

“Why was a constitutional amendment needed to outlaw liquor on a national basis, yet cannibis can be outlawed nationwide with simply a statute?”

And likewise Cocaine and LSD, both of which were once “legal.”

(asking not because I think it wise to use either, but rather for the legal constitutional aspect)


16 posted on 10/16/2010 7:35:53 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Bokababe

Boxer and Brown must be really pissed!


17 posted on 10/16/2010 7:36:01 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (The only thing the ZerO administration is competent at is bad ideas.)
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To: Bokababe
Same goes for Republicans. The CA GOP talks a good game, but it remains to be seen whether they will stay true to their stated constitutional position, or turn into Drug War whores. From the CA GOP website:

Federalism

We believe that political matters should be resolved by the local or state governments unless such matters are expressly reserved for the Federal Government by the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

The Federal Government has repeatedly violated the Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution by encroaching on the rights that are reserved and delegated to the states and to the People. The California Republican Party firmly believes that the best governments are those most accountable to the People.

We heed Thomas Jefferson's warning: "When all government, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another."

http://www.cagop.org/index.cfm/republican_party_platform.htm

18 posted on 10/16/2010 7:38:10 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Bokababe

I doubt the nimber of people using marijuana will change much, whether legal or illegal.

It has been illegal for decades, yet many have used it.

The penalty has been greatly relaxed in several states, without reports of increased use.


19 posted on 10/16/2010 7:40:47 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: 17th Miss Regt; 2001convSVT; 2ndDivisionVet; A_Former_Democrat; A_Tradition_Continues; ...
Thanks Bokababe!

I'm curious if anyone on this forum has had any experience with the situation in the Netherlands where "soft" drugs are more or less legal? Even doing a Google search for "Netherlands drug problem" doesn't shed much light. Seems most of the chatter is yukking it up for legalization.

~ping~ for purposes of discussion...

20 posted on 10/16/2010 7:41:28 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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