Posted on 11/16/2010 6:12:08 PM PST by Kaslin
Well, yes, but the objection to Zer0care is that there are no choices for the citizen.
Let the citizen chose to opt out of Zer0care including all taxes and fees, and pay their own way, insured or self insured, and there won't be a problem.
Your wife had, and made the choice that was best for her and her family. That makes her an executive, nothing more. That power Zer0 wants to take from her and everyone.
Not at all. The question is who gets to decide. I should have the choice to buy gold-plated insurance that allows me the option to demand every effort be made, or a basic plan that saves me a bunble of money. We don't have that now, but I don't want to move further from it.
Anyway the spector of "bills for health care forever" is stupid. People die regardless, sooner or later, and these "heroic measures" everyone gets hysterical about typically last only a short time.
Odds are you can keep anyone alive as long as medically possible for less cost than one Obama vacation. Look at it that way.
Who was it that said “why would you let the truth get in the way of your objectives?” Or something like that..... Oh, I remember, it was Hitler!!!
Krugman is fascinating, so brilliant, Award winning LOL
Naturally, the death panels won't be for him or 'special' people like him, but rather by him. Das Fuhrer would be pleased. And those will have to be some hell of a whopping sales taxes because the death panels will be weeding out those paying in ...
Reminds me of Edward G. Robinson in Soylent Green being “put down” because he was old. Taken to a pleasant room, and given an injection while peacefully watching tranquil scenes.
DemocRATS! The Party of Death!
I am thinking. And I understand the difference between a government bureaucracy and the family making the decision. But unless the person making the decisions is also paying the bills, there WILL be a place where the insurance company or in this case, the government, says you have reached the limit of your policy or that it will not pay for that treatment.
And since a huge bureaucracy cannot review every case individually for the particulars, it will come up with some sort of formula that it will use with no heart or soul.
Do you think Krugman could be the first to go?
What Krugman is saying is Obama doesnt currently have Death Panels, but it needs them. In fact on that same ABC show during the debate early this year he was saying that you create the entitlement first, then when the treasury is empty the voters will be forced to accept ‘cuts’. This is actually what he said we needed to do, not a warning of what to avoid. He is a Marxist dressed up by the MSM as an economist.
So the government will give all those new poor Americans from the Southern border a new entitlement, and then later cut the old white American seniors off, after they were taxed for it.
It is hard to imagine cutting SS or medicare without repealing Obama-care first.
This bastard should be hanged.
This bastard should be hanged.
Well put.
But that's the smart socialist (The ivy league educated socialist types). For the smart socialist this form of government and economic model creates a near fixed cast like system as in Russia, China, Venezuela (today), Cuba, Vietnam, N. Korea etc. and those on the top stay on top because they essentially own the means of production through the state. The real security isn't for the worker bees, rather the political class that is entitled. The ivy league socialist is in reality an elitist that feels entitled to be running and owning everything and you also hear this echoed over and over when they essentially state that markets shouldn't be free, that people shouldn't be given free choice in purchases, when they want to run health care, the retirement system, education, transportation .............
The dumb socialists, like those in the projects voting for their slave masters simply vote for socialism because in their ignorant bliss think they'll get a free piece of cheese from this system.
Krugman position on this is old news. This video was featured in the warning at this blog post back in March 2010, eight months ago.
The difference today is that a mainstream organ, IBD rather than a few blogs, is making an issue of it. Too little too late given that Obamacare is now law. Look at that video and recognize how badly we allowed these death culters to push through their agenda. Krugman and panel was brazenly laughing at you and the value you put on it because Obamacare will steal your right to pay to save your life. AND HE KNEW IT.
Another way IBD misses the point. NICE isn't simply Orwellian, it shares the same acronym with the malevolent UK entity CS Lewis featured in his novel That Hideous Strength, published in 1945, three years before Orwell's 1984.
Of incidental interest: That same novel features a security chief, Major "Fairy" Hardcastle," who bears a remarkable resemblance to Janet Napolitano, including the graphic molestation of women. Again, remember that this novel was published in 1945.
CSLewis published the non-fiction book, The Abolition of Man, in 1943. It was a compilation of a three lectures. That Hideous Strength he wrote in order to dramatize the dangers of which he warned in those lectures. From the last lecture:
“I am not here thinking solely, perhaps not even chiefly, of those who are our public enemies at the moment. The process which, if not checked, will abolish Man goes on apace among Communists and Democrats no less than among Fascists.And they HAVE learned how to do it. POLITICAL CORRECTNESS has become so common that most of us allow ourselves to be enslaved by it. FReepers who might dare read this comment: you believe that your thinking is more free-wheeling than most libs?The methods may (at first) differ in brutality. [Our "Conditioners"] mean in the long run just the same as the Nazi rulers of Germany. Traditional values are to be `debunked’ and mankind to be cut out into some fresh shape at the will (which must, by hypothesis, be an arbitrary will) of some few lucky people in one lucky generation which has learned how to do it.”
It is not true. You are constantly being led around by the nose of opinion makers and moles from both the Left and the Right. Most of us labor under PC, and have become POLITICALLY COWERED by it. Try and have a logical discussion even on FR and watch how the moles move in an disrupt the friendships that once were.
The end result has been that most of us are afraid to take on directly those who are seizing powers to enslave us more each day.
I address this to you, sickoflibs, because you do so much more than most. How often do you ask yourself "but am I doing enough?" It is amazing what one man can do when he decides to do it, ain't it?
“Health Care” is the latest thing in modern death management.
In the final analysis, socialist political debate reduces to Lenin’s “Who-whom?” - the choice between being subject or object - the choice between being murderer or victim being the only one available.
The progressive welfare state has the capacity to kill - that is all. It has no ability to breathe life into anything except the enterprise of war. Nothing can come from socialism except death - this will be obvious to even children 500 years from now, should civilization survive the present day cult of the State.
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(and much longer ago than that--such as God's advice to Samuel on the people's desire for a king) It's too bad that nobody understood why the period of judges failed to work. The reason for that failure was overlooked until recently: the Biblical solution for defending against invasions required no king.
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