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Obama's new view of his own war powers
Salon ^ | 31 Mar 2011 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 04/02/2011 1:09:40 PM PDT by Palter

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1 posted on 04/02/2011 1:09:47 PM PDT by Palter
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To: Palter

bookmark for later.


2 posted on 04/02/2011 1:15:20 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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I suppose this means it is a war after all...and not a humanitarian mission. Can’t have it both ways.


3 posted on 04/02/2011 1:16:19 PM PDT by HollyB
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All wannabe Dictators need their very own war, don’t they? In this case, why not support our enemies while you’re at it?


4 posted on 04/02/2011 1:17:12 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: IrishCatholic

The article is “moral equivalence” BS. The issue is what are the inherent national security powers of the president. The article doesn’t provide an analysis and misrepresents various facts.

Obamalini’s actions in Libya and HRC’s claim that the regime will ignore Congress in this matter are well beyond what previous presidents have done.


5 posted on 04/02/2011 1:32:34 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Palter
Better give little Glenn and all the crybabies on the left, like Yglesias and Andrew Sullivan, a hanky because their progressive, African-American, community organizing hero has made them sad.

Boo hoo, fellas, boo hoo.

6 posted on 04/02/2011 1:34:11 PM PDT by mojito
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There is a distinction between Bush's supposed lawlessness and that by Obama in this instance that is somehow lost on this author:

America was attacked on 9/11, which meets the War Powers Act criteria investing him as Commander in Chief in combating terrorism.

The power to detain American citizens as "enemy combatants" without benefit of a judge or specific Congressional authorization was a stretch on the President's part, in that the conflict did not meet the classical definition of a "war" in that no opposing nation could be identified. That left things more open-ended than they should have been. I really don't want to see that kind of power in the national government in this country.

As to the war in Iraq, Congress authorized military action. So in both these instances, President Bush exhibited at least some respect for both Statutory and Constitutional restrictions of his powers as President.

By contrast, the action in Libya is totally illegal. This leftist author just can't bring himself to admit it, needing the cover of parity to somehow portray himself as 'even-handed' in the eyes of his blatantly partisan readership.

7 posted on 04/02/2011 1:40:31 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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8 posted on 04/02/2011 1:51:33 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: Palter
I would like to dedicate this post to all Liberals and DUmmies...meet your new boss, same as the old boss ONLY 10 TIMES WORSE. LOL

Liberalism is a mental disorder. These guys will never get it. It does not matter what Party someone claims to be. They are all the same. They are all working for the same people with the same goals. Idiots! Useful fools!

NO BLOOD FOR OIL!
NO BLOOD FOR OIL! (its not about oil?)

NO BLOOD FOR PROTECTING CIVILIANS!
NO BLOOD FOR PROTECTING CIVILIANS! (oh what? we are bombing and killing civilians?)

THERE ARE NO WMDs IN LIBYA!
THERE ARE NO WMDs IN LIBYA! (not about WMDs?)
(well, what is it about? nobody knows?)

WELL UHHHMMM
NO BLOOD FOR SOME NONSPECIFIC REASON THAT NO ONE UNDERSTANDS!
NO BLOOD FOR SOME NONSPECIFIC REASON THAT NO ONE UNDERSTANDS!

BUSH IS A WAR CRIMINAL! (wait what? it wasn't Bush? well, at least was Cheney involve? what! Hillary!?)

9 posted on 04/02/2011 1:54:16 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Carry_Okie
As to the war in Iraq, Congress authorized military action.

Sure, he is partisan, but all people are.

Bush was brought up in the article to prove the point that Obama is basing his decisions under the status that he is the sole principle in deciding military action, as per Bush.

As for the Constitutional mertis of Iraq. Authorization of force, is not a product or use in the Constitution. Congress can declare War, that's it.

10 posted on 04/02/2011 1:56:36 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Palter; Joy Angela; Alamo-Girl; All

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BILL AYERS is publically calling for the removal of all U.S. Military Forces from the Middle East.

OSAMA bin LADEN is publically calling for the removal of all U.S. Military Forces from the Middle East.

BILL AYERS = OSAMA bin LADEN

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11 posted on 04/02/2011 2:27:05 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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I knew it would finallY come out-—IT IS BUSH’s FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


12 posted on 04/02/2011 2:28:14 PM PDT by tsali
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To: Carry_Okie

Excellent summary and reminder!


13 posted on 04/02/2011 2:36:08 PM PDT by himno hero ("armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"...Barrack Obama)
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ping


14 posted on 04/02/2011 2:42:44 PM PDT by Wuli
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no "statute can place any limits on the President's determinations" as "these decisions, under our Constitution, are for the President alone to make."

If congress can pass laws constraining the presidency then we would no longer have a balance of power. How ignorant are these libs?

Does this mean congress cannot intervene? No. It means congress would use its powers to fund or its power to impeach.

15 posted on 04/02/2011 2:50:04 PM PDT by Raycpa
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If congress can pass laws constraining the presidency

No need for 'laws'. The President has few powers, Congress is the one with the many enumerated powers, many of those setting the rules of the military, etc.

16 posted on 04/02/2011 2:53:06 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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17 posted on 04/02/2011 3:49:06 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: tsali
PIKER!

He says it is Lincoln's, Reagan's, HGW Bush's, Cheney's, ( Billary's) AND GWB's faults!

18 posted on 04/02/2011 3:58:18 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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So assume congress decided to make the military disobey Obama’s commands by passing a law:

1. Would military obey that law?
2. Should they disobey the commander in chief or congress?

The short answer is the only control congress has over a president is found in the constitution, not in the statutes. It should never be different or we would have a president who was a puppet of congress.


19 posted on 04/02/2011 7:27:01 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 04/02/2011 9:44:19 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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