Posted on 08/30/2011 5:13:00 AM PDT by tutstar
Whatever ruling emerges will be the law of the land until it is overturned. We are supposed to be a nation that observes the Rule of Law, the present administration notwithstanding.
I believe it is in the best interest of the Nation and History to regard the man as illegitimate regardless of what others say. Wherever his name is mentioned in a History book, their should be a mark of shame next to it. He should be regarded in the same light as Benedict Arnold, John Wilkes Boothe, or Arron Burr. As bad as Carter was, at least he was legitimate.
Yeah, right. And if pigs had wings, they could fly.
Seriously? Do you think allegiance sinks in by osmosis? By what other means is loyalty imparted but by loyal parents and other members of a community? A 6 year old boy raised till then by American Hating parents is certainly not going to be loyal at that point, and maybe never after!
Either way, the Constitution deals with such concerns with a 14 year residency requirement, which Obama meets.
Certainly a boy could have been raised in Soviet Russia till he was 21, and could meet the Presidential Age requirement by the time he was 35.
It's a shame the founders didn't think of a way to prevent such a thing. :)
Considering the Secrecy required by adoption laws, we have no information but circumstantial that this is indeed the case. (But that looks rather compelling to me.) I would think that for the sake of a requirement by the Highest law of our Nation, that Hawaii should make an exception to their secrecy laws and say one way or the other if he has been adopted.
Of course they won't. They will continue to let the tail wag the dog.
How would you know if Obama had student loans? Isn’t that information private? I suppose it would be on his credit report. Can you get his credit reports?
obama is not a US citizen. 1961, his mother was a minor child giving birth and could not give her son citizenship. His father, an illegal alien, in the US, Kenyan national. Then step father adopted this child making him an Indonesian citizen he had to be a citizen to attend school there.
obamacrimes.com
citizenship, not renounced, Indonesian citizenship went with adoption, and he had to be an indoesian citizen to attend school in Indonesia and had to be Muslin too.
Another whitewash story.
Only SCOTUS can resolve this issue and they should do it soon. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born. Add to that the fact that 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies are born annually to illegal aliens and you have the ingredients for a major problem in the future.
When the Rule of Law is subjugated to the whim of the Ill informed or the agenda driven, it foreshadows the end of our Nation. The Pope cannot decree Galileo into wrongness, and neither can the court make something true which is not. That they can force whatever nonsense they espouse upon us has been demonstrated time after time with Abortion and Forced Bushing, Court ordered Tax Increases, etc. In a nut shell, "might makes right." A lesson which every dictatorship knows.
Yeah, right. And if pigs had wings, they could fly.
I think it's too late to prevent it. The meme that he is illegitimate has already taken root. History will look back on his promoters and defenders and wonder why they were so stupid.
He would be OUT now, if respectable honest lawmakers with guts had done their JOB!
Really? Then there should be some relevant Hawaiian law that lays out the process of sealing state documents in response to a foreign adoption, shouldn't there?
I imagine at a young age your religion is what your parents’ religion is. If he was born in Hawaii, he is an American. Whether or not he is a NBC is a question for the courts, which of course will never take up the issue. He could have been born on Mars, though, and it would not make any difference. No one would do anything about it. No one!
And here you are again, challenging anyone who speculates that Obama is dirty. For you there never seems to be a fishy smell around a guy that wreaks as near as most can tell. Now why is a Sarah Palin supporter so ready to defend Sarah's enemy at every opportunity?
Nowadays there is little consensus, but from 1787 till the last couple of decades, there seemed to be a pretty solid consensus. I know of dozens of quotes from Statesmen, Historians, Law book References, Newspapers, etc. in support of the two citizen requirement. At the moment, I only know of THREE references that indicate otherwise.
Even George Will and Ann Coulter inadvertently weighed in on this issue in opposition to the "Anchor Baby" Theory of citizenship.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38409
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/26/AR2010032603077.html
Only SCOTUS can resolve this issue and they should do it soon. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. ... Add to that the fact that 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies are born annually to illegal aliens and you have the ingredients for a major problem in the future.
Read the above two links from Coulter and Will for a better insight.
There are a lot of paths that his citizenship takes. He was born in Kenya, He was born in Hawaii, he was born in kenya and taken to Hawaii, then he was adopted and taken to Indonesia, adopted and went to school there as a Indonesian national. He has an illegal social security number, he filed for student loans, grants as a foreign national, it seems he plays all sides. what ever fits his needs is what he goes with. He has committed fraud, in one form or another and does not legally hold the office of president of the US. he is a fraud.
“However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.
Intent can be shown by the person’s statements or conduct.”
So what was Obama’s conduct in college?
Official records are hidden. Not sure why but maybe because they show intent during the time.
If/when the records are made public the issue can come to rest. But not until then.
From a legal standpoint, this argument is meaningless.
Certainly a boy could have been raised in Soviet Russia till he was 21, and could meet the Presidential Age requirement by the time he was 35.
As long as he was born a U.S. citizen and didn't renounce that citizenship, sure. Why have a 14 year residency requirement if it was necessary for the President to reside here his whole life?
You miss the point. From the Evidence i've seen, it is quite likely he was adopted under Indonesian law. The Question is, was he adopted under Hawaiian Law? When his mother abandoned him in the early seventies, and he lived with his grandparents during that time, it is likely that he WAS adopted under Hawaiian law, if not earlier by Lolo Soetoro, than later by them.
Stanley Ann's (1973 I think) tax return indicates he was dropped as a dependent. Staying with Gramps and Toots would have likely been helped by some official document giving them legal guardianship. When Barack Sr. and Stanley Ann just happened to be in Hawaii at the same time, that would have been a good and convenient opportunity to sign some legal papers regarding Barry. That an impoverished unemployed drunken and crippled loser from Kenya would decide to fly to Hawaii and back just for kicks is asking a lot of coincidence.
And all that changes exactly what?
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