From what I read in an LA Times article, AZ SOS Bennett copied an application form off the internet and sent it in with $5. The HDOH responded by saying he needed to prove he was authorized to request/receive a verification. I would presume that Bennett responded by showing that he is the AZ SOS and has discretion to require candidates to convince him of their eligibility. If he’s done that and it’s been more than 10 business days since he’s heard from them, they could be stalling (par for the course in my experience) and the OIP will have to be involved to force a response out of them. They have to either deny or comply with his request. If they deny his request they have to give a legal reason.
Thing is, if his BC was amended in 2006 as the HDOH admitted, and if there are supporting affidavits as OIP Director Tsukiyama admitted (which would only be necessary for amended and/or late BC’s), then the birth record they have for Obama is not probative/legally valid and HRS 338-13 says that the probative value must be determined when it is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body. IOW, the State of HI on its own does not vouch for the accuracy of any of the claims on an altered or late BC. If Obama’s is late and/or amended (as is indicated by HDOH and OIP UIPA responses AND by their need to alter the 1960-64 birth index to include legally non-valid names in order to get both Obama’s and Virginia Sunhara’s names on the list at the same time) then Hawaii CANNOT verify any birth facts for Obama. Their law forbids it. The only way there can be any legally-recognized birth facts for Obama based on what is in HI is if Obama actually presents that BC (complete with “ALTERED” stamp on it and notes about what proof was submitted to support the amendment) to a judicial or administrative person or body, who then have to follow the rules of evidence according to legal protocols.
If the HDOH ever DOES verify birth facts for Obama, then they have made conflicting public statements regarding Obama’s records, and Bennett would have to figure out which statement was accurate. That could only be done through an audit of the records, as recommended by a HHS inspector general’s report anyway (see http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf ) That report says that a birth certificate alone should not be used to determine eligibility, especially when much is at stake – for instance, a passport (which was the example they used, contrasting documentation necessary for Little League versus getting a passport). And it says that if there are signs that there could be a forgery (such as a vague or too-light “seal” such as was the case on the photo that Savannah Guthrie posted online) other proofs should be required and the records audited.
That poses a problem for Obama because EVERY “proof” known to exist for him shows signs of tampering:
1. Both the COLB and long-form show signs of forgery (the COLB has a “seal” that doesn’t bend with the fold of the page it’s supposedly on; the electronic file had authenticating marks that could be moved around on the page – clearly C&P’ed from a different document than the rest of the image was taken from; and Savannah Guthrie’s photo has just the kind of indistinct and light “seal” that the OIG report refers to as being too fishy) and conflict with what the HDOH has revealed through UIPA responses.
2. The draft registration is the only one from that post office at that time that lacks the first 2 digits of the 4-digt year stamp.
3. The SSN he used on his tax returns fails e-verify and was issued from Connecticut where Obama never lived.
4. His passport file has been breached 3 times, and sources close to the investigation told Newsmax that the purpose was to sanitize the record. And the one who oversaw the breaches was rewarded with a position as Chief of National Security.
ALL the records are suspect, and for any one of them to be used to determine eligility – according to the OIG recommendations – there would have to be a complete audit to figure out exact;u how and when that record really originated.
No matter how you slice it, Bennett is going to have to demand an audit before he can be sure of anything. There will be immense pressure on him to just bypass that step. We need to pray for him.
Something that may make the HDOH a bit hesitant to illegally “verify” Obama’s birth facts is the realization that if Obama is defeated in the election, we may have an Attorney General who DOESN’T shield all the crooks from federal investigation and prosecution, and at that point an earnest US Attorney in AZ would have everything he needs to throw every complicit person in HI in jail for a very, very long time.
Anything we can do to make it apparent to the HDOH that Eric Holder will not be able to stall justice forever…. will help “convince” Loretta Fuddy to do the right thing, for once in her life. If she does, she will respond to Bennett by saying that she CANNOT verify Obama’s birth facts. At that point Bennett will have what he needs to keep Obama off the ballot.
What we can do right now to help Bennett is to pray for him and to pressure our Congress-critters to hold Eric Holder’s feet to the fire AND to impeach him. Because Eric Holder is the lynchpin for this whole lawless mess we’re in. He’s the placeholder making sure that the feds will protect the crooks rather than prosecute them. If he is taken out of his position the whole lawless dam bursts and the crooks will have to fight to be the first person to turn so they can plea bargain for immunity or a lower charge in return for the goods on everybody else.
Sigh. I have tried everything in my power to be able to add spacing to this, and whether it’s something here at FR, or in Wordpress, or in Word (where I tried getting the formatting to work), or what - I cannot get ANYBODY to let me add spaces to this. Sigh.
If somebody wants to see it in coherent form I guess you’ll have to see it on my blog. It’s my latest comment on the “Welcome” post, at http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com
The basic gist is that if what the HDOH and OIP have already revealed is correct, Hawaii CAN’T verify anything because Obama’s BC is late and/or amended and is thus not legally valid. And if the HDOH realizes that AG Holder won’t forever be able to stave off a federal investigation and prosecution, they may balk at illegally “verifying” what the laws forbid them to verify.
IOW, pressure to get rid of Holder and pressure to get Obama defeated are the best ways - besides praying for him, which is tops - for us to help Bennett do what is necessary and right.
The post also explains why Bennett is not only legally justified but actually should be REQUIRED to demand an audit of ALL Obama’s records.
I have the feeling that this battle has changed somewhat and perhaps has evolved to one between the Democrat Arkansas mafia and the Democrat Chicago mafia. They see a cliff and are trying to avoid it. The Arkansas mafia probably thinks it can save itself somewhat by revealing the ugly truth about the Chicago mafia. I think both are in a battle to the death. Too much at stake. Whatever transpires will be before the election. Just a gut feeling.
I see that the AP is now reporting that Hawaii is telling Arizona that they need to prove that they require Obama’s credentials.
Updated: May 19, 2012 3:33 AM CDT
OBAMA-ARIZONA BALLOT
Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth
PHOENIX (AP) - The attorney general’s office in Hawaii is telling Arizona’s secretary of state that if he wants confirmation of President Barack Obama’s birth records, he’ll have to prove he legitimately needs it.
Special Assistant Joshua Wisch said late Friday that Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett hasn’t done that despite numerous email and phone exchanges between their offices.
Wisch says Hawaii state laws require Bennett to show legal authority that this office needs the records to update its official lists as part of its ordinary work.
Wisch says as soon as Bennett gives Hawaii adequate authority, the Aloha State will verify Obama’s birth.
Bennett said in a radio interview this week that Obama’s status on Arizona’s ballot is in question unless Hawaii verifies his birthplace.
Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.
Thing is, if his BC was amended in 2006 as the HDOH admitted, and if there are supporting affidavits as OIP Director Tsukiyama admitted (which would only be necessary for amended and/or late BC’s), then the birth record they have for Obama is not probative/legally valid and HRS 338-13 says that the probative value must be determined when it is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body. IOW, the State of HI on its own does not vouch for the accuracy of any of the claims on an altered or late BC. If Obama’s is late and/or amended (as is indicated by HDOH and OIP UIPA responses AND by their need to alter the 1960-64 birth index to include legally non-valid names in order to get both Obama’s and Virginia Sunhara’s names on the list at the same time) then Hawaii CANNOT verify any birth facts for Obama. Their law forbids it. The only way there can be any legally-recognized birth facts for Obama based on what is in HI is if Obama actually presents that BC (complete with “ALTERED” stamp on it and notes about what proof was submitted to support the amendment) to a judicial or administrative person or body, who then have to follow the rules of evidence according to legal protocols.
If the HDOH ever DOES verify birth facts for Obama, then they have made conflicting public statements regarding Obama’s records, and Bennett would have to figure out which statement was accurate. That could only be done through an audit of the records, as recommended by a HHS inspector general’s report anyway (see http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf ) That report says that a birth certificate alone should not be used to determine eligibility, especially when much is at stake – for instance, a passport (which was the example they used, contrasting documentation necessary for Little Leage versus getting a passport). And it says that if there are signs that there could be a forgery (such as a vague or too-light “seal” such as was the case on the photo that Savannah Guthrie posted online) other proofs should be requred and the records audited.
That poses a problem for Obama because EVERY “proof” known to exist for him shows signs of tampering:
1. Both the COLB and long-form show signs of forgery (the COLB has a “seal” that doesn’t bend with the fold of the page it’s supposedly on; the electronic file had authenticating marks that could be moved around on the page – clearly C&P’ed from a different document than the rest of the image was taken from; and Savannah Guthrie’s photo has just the kind of indistinct and light “seal” that the OIG report refers to as being too fishy) and conflict with what the HDOH has revealed through UIPA responses.
2. The draft registration is the only one from that post office at that time that lacks the first 2 digits of the 4-digt year stamp.
3. The SSN he used on his tax returns fails e-verify and was issued from Connecticut where Obama never lived.
4. His passport file has been breached 3 times, and sources close to the investigation told Newsmax that the purpose was to sanitize the record. And the one who oversaw the breaches was rewarded with a position as Chief of National Security.
ALL the records are suspect, and for any one of them to be used to determine eligility – according to the OIG recommendations – there would have to be a complete audit to figure out exact;u how and when that record really originated.
No matter how you slice it, Bennett is going to have to demand an audit before he can be sure of anything. There will be immense pressure on him to just bypass that step. We need to pray for him.
Something that may make the HDOH a bit hesitant to illegally “verify” Obama’s birth facts is the realization that if Obama is defeated in the election, we may have an Attorney General who DOESN’T shield all the crooks from federal investigation and prosecution, and at that point an earnest US Attorney in AZ would have everything he needs to throw every complicit person in HI in jail for a very, very long time.
Anything we can do to make it apparent to the HDOH that Eric Holder will not be able to stall justice forever…. will help “convince” Loretta Fuddy to do the right thing, for once in her life. If she does, she will respond to Bennett by saying that she CANNOT verify Obama’s birth facts. At that point Bennett will have what he needs to keep Obama off the ballot.
What we can do right now to help Bennett is to pray for him and to pressure our Congress-critters to hold Eric Holder’s feet to the fire AND to impeach him. Because Eric Holder is the lynchpin for this whole lawless mess we’re in. He’s the placeholder making sure that the feds will protect the crooks rather than prosecute them. If he is taken out of his position the whole lawless dam bursts and the crooks will have to fight to be the first person to turn so they can plea bargain for immunity or a lower charge in return for the goods on everybody else.