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Obamacare Tax Hikes Irk Taxpayers; Illegal aliens, prisoners exempt
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Posted on 07/02/2012 7:26:20 AM PDT by QT3.14

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To: ModelBreaker

But...but...if they can’t “participate”, won’t they STILL have to go to Hospital Emergency Rooms because they are STILL not covered?

Clearly, except as a deceptive cover story, Obamacare has very little to do with “health”...


41 posted on 07/02/2012 12:10:37 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: ModelBreaker

But...but...if they can’t “participate”, won’t they STILL have to go to Hospital Emergency Rooms because they are STILL not covered?

Clearly, except as a deceptive cover story, Obamacare has very little to do with “health”...


42 posted on 07/02/2012 12:10:51 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: hal ogen

We all live in one giant prison grid already, with the dome (skies) controlled just like in “The Truman Show.”

We’re already used to being strip-searched, watched by cameras everywhere we go, needing to show “papers, please” (especially within 100 miles of any border, such as where I live), subjected to drug tests and breath tests, etc. Not too far off to simply pick a slightly smaller prison.


43 posted on 07/02/2012 12:11:04 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: USAF80

Obama Admin. Actuary Finds Unsustainable Status Quo Cheaper than Obamacare
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/11/16/obama-administration-actuaries
One of President Obama’s primary justifications for pushing health care legislation has been that the status quo is “unsustainable” because of the skyrocketing cost of medical care in the United States. The way to rein in costs, he argues, is to do adopt the policies that he and his fellow Democrats are proposing. But a new report by the government actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, a branch of the Obama administration’s Department of Health and Human Services, has found that the exact opposite is true. CMS took a close look at the health care bill that was passed by House Democrats and endorsed by the White House, and it found that not only would the bill not reduce health care costs — it would increase them. Time and again, we have been reminded that the United States spends a higher percentage of its GDP on health care than any other nation — about 16 percent. As Obama but it in his June speech to the American Medical Association, “If we fail to act, one out of every five dollars we earn will be spent on health care within a decade.” Yet if we adopt the legislation supported by Obama — which finances expanded coverage through tax increases and Medicare cuts — health care spending will actually rise to 21.1 percent of GDP, according to CMS, compared to 20.8 percent if we simply do nothing.


The two reasons they gave for the “overhaul” to healthcare: “to cut costs” - NOPE ,costs will go up actually. “to insure everyone” ...No, 10’s of millions will still be uninsured. In other words, the plan is a total failure. This is about power and control.


44 posted on 07/02/2012 12:11:26 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: lonestar

“So they just show up at ER when they need treatment, can’t be refused, and who pays for it?”

Good question. I suspect, that it will just go into higher premiums for citizens or lower Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements for doctors—just like it does now.


45 posted on 07/02/2012 12:12:19 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: USAF80

Why do they call this Affordable?


Almost everything radicals give a name or title is the opposite of what it sounds.
The saddest part of all this is what g’mnt does to the actual working poor.
By actual I mean the people who try to get by without the help of the g’mnt.
Which, sad to say, are fewer and fewer people who do not give in and take the g’mnt cheese.

I grew up “poor”.
Although my friends family who got the full government package. Lived in a clean modern “project housing” that was toasty warm in the winter and cool in the summer. They had a big color tv with cable (HBO), always had a running car, and plenty of food. Oh, and healthcare.
As far as I could tell they what was wrong with the old man was he had a limp and was a little over weight. He never had any difficulty setting up at the Flea Market.
Likewise, his wife was a little plump.


46 posted on 07/02/2012 12:34:34 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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To: ModelBreaker
Sorry, but I didn't mean it as a question. You and I know that we will pay for the illegal aliens' healthcare. Nothing about them will change.

Democrat programs always reward undesirable behaviors and punish desirable behaviors.

If there is one that rewards legal, working citizens who play by the rules and laws of the USA, please inform me.

I can't think of one.

47 posted on 07/02/2012 12:37:33 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: QT3.14
False.

So, you are saying that it is only false cause less people will be paying this? As a member of NAR, this tax exists. And, by the way, NAR can suck it.

48 posted on 07/02/2012 12:46:48 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: QT3.14

I had no choice but to apply for Medicaid for my Mother’s nursing home care. I didn’t have $13,000 to shell out per month.

They asked for every document under the sun. I can understand this. But it really made me mad when part of the application blatantly said “must provide a birth certificate and other documents for proof of residency unless pregnant or an illegal alien”.

I guess it would have been easier to say my mother was illegal!


49 posted on 07/02/2012 12:59:13 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Leep
On a side note, in your post you mentioned “g’ment cheese”. Well that cheese did serve a purpose! An old man down the road from us was given a huge box of the cheese and that nasty peanut butter they were handing out. He didn't even want it, but they said he was poor and old and delivered it to his house. He didn't want it to go to waste and gave it to my mother as we had a large family and he thought it would help us out.

I learned at a very young age if the Government gives away anything “free” it's going to be just like this cheese and peanut butter— bitter tasting, hard to swallow, and definitely not worth it.

50 posted on 07/02/2012 1:11:24 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: nascarnation
"Only if they opt out of Social Security like Amish."

You can do that if your Amish??? I would be able to save up more in the next 10 years than the SS payments I will EVER get back

51 posted on 07/02/2012 1:26:40 PM PDT by Mr. K (OBAMA MUST BE STOPPED ROMNEY/GINGRICH)
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To: Mr. K

Give it a shot man.
I’m already on the “receiving” side so I can’t jump on the bandwagon.

If you drive a car, lawn tractor, and use power tools, you’d probably want to be a Mennonite instead of Amish.

https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110225035


52 posted on 07/02/2012 1:30:31 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: QT3.14

How does what you posted contradict the claim of the tax? Also, who believes anything a realtor says?


53 posted on 07/02/2012 2:04:10 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: QT3.14

every american should refuse to pay one red cent.


54 posted on 07/02/2012 2:11:03 PM PDT by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: QT3.14; All

This item came as an email. I can’t verify the author. It’s bad enough news, but there are two VERY expensive items left out which I have added at the end. Thanks!

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It’s easy to dismiss individual Programs that benefit non-citizens until they’re put together and this picture emerges. Someone did a lotof research to put together all of this data. Often these programs are buried within other programs making them difficult to find.

A Real Eye Opener - WHY is the USA BANKRUPT?

We have been hammered with the propaganda that it was the Iraq war andthe war on terror that is bankrupting us. You think the war in Iraq was costing us too much? Read this:

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.Verify:http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

2. $22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary & secondary education for children here illegally and [usually] cannot speak a word of English!Verify : http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt....0.HTML

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.( or as Terry Anderson says: JACKPOT babies!)Verify http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify:http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.Verify: http://transcripts.CNN..com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt...01.HTML

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & socialservices by the American taxpayers.Verify: http://premium.cnn..com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01..HTML

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI

13. In 2006, illegals sent $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.

Verify : http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ..Verify : http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY. Are we THAT Stupid?WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!

PLUS!

1. The Earned Income Credit...you know money people get back on their taxes that they NEVER paid into in the first place!llegal aliens, most of which pay zero in net taxes, enjoyed $4.2 billion from the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) last year. That’s more than the annual revenue from the selected oil tax deductions and corporate jet deductions combined!Verify: http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/09/02/illegal-aliens-receive-4-2-billion-in-additional-child-tax-credits/

2. The cost of prosecuting and being SURE these illegal entrants have their rights protected!In 2009, the U.S. Justice Dept filed nearly 92,000 immigration-related criminal cases in the federal courts. The record-breaking trend accounted for more than half of all new federal prosecutions in the country, according to data maintained at Syracuse University..” http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=federal+court+cases


55 posted on 07/02/2012 2:12:51 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
The background you provided appears to be in keeping with a study/report years ago called
The High Cost of Cheap Labor.
56 posted on 07/02/2012 3:30:14 PM PDT by QT3.14 (USA: Likely only country in history with laws and policies that ensure self-destruction!)
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To: nascarnation
You mean I could have "opted out of Social Security too?"

Since when and why didn't anyone ever tell me???

57 posted on 07/02/2012 7:10:36 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: QT3.14

Can someone please tell me if this is true. This is from Fact Check which I know is a shrill for the left. Will Congress and their staff have to get the same healthcare plan as the rest of us? I’ve been going back and forth with a flaming liberal friend of mine.

EC. 1312. CONSUMER CHOICE
(d)(3)
D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE-
(i) REQUIREMENT- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are—

(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or

(II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).

(ii) DEFINITIONS- In this section:

(I) MEMBER OF CONGRESS- The term ‘Member of Congress’ means any member of the House of Representatives or the Senate.

(II) CONGRESSIONAL STAFF- The term ‘congressional staff’ means all full-time and part-time employees employed by the official office of a Member of Congress, whether in Washington, DC or outside of Washington, DC.


58 posted on 07/02/2012 7:15:12 PM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: QT3.14

Great cartoon. Oppressive taxation has been used since the beginning of time to effectively slave peoples. The American founding fathers knew that they would never be free as long as the King had the authority to implement oppressive taxes. The tax situation of 1775 pales in comparison with the tax situation of 2012. At that time it was the King arbitrarily imposing taxes. In 2012 it is King Obama and his Court Jester Roberts who are arbitrarily imposing taxes, after explicitly telling the American people it was not a tax. If ever a revolution was justified, it certainly is now.


59 posted on 07/03/2012 6:27:00 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: zerosix

That’s why you come to FR.
To find out the stuff you don’t ever see in the MSM.


60 posted on 07/03/2012 6:35:11 AM PDT by nascarnation
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