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To: kabar

Rubio (or any Republican) would win getting 40% of Hispanics.

Pending this immigration study, Rubio would be my pick for 2016. He is Reaganesque in his speaking, and has been a solid legislator for conservatives (not perfect, but solid). He’s a Jim DeMint guy. I recently voted with Rand Paul on stopping the export of military equipment to Egypt. If he navigates a reasonable result on immigration, I think he’ll prove to be a worthy candidate. I’ve said for awhile, this immigration will make or break Rubio’s presidential aspirations. His position is reasonable; the question is whether legislation reflect his ideas or is a sellout to the left to allow amnesty after the fact.


7 posted on 02/04/2013 9:56:14 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: ilgipper

“His position is reasonable”

He is endorsing amnesty for 11 million illegals. What is exactly reasonable about it?


21 posted on 02/04/2013 10:10:09 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: ilgipper

“His position is reasonable”

He is endorsing amnesty for 11 million illegals. What is exactly reasonable about it?


22 posted on 02/04/2013 10:10:28 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: ilgipper
Rubio (or any Republican) would win getting 40% of Hispanics.

That's true now because roughly one third of Hispanics came here legally, or were born here, and resent the illegal line jumpers just as much or more so than the rest of us. Another 7% to 10% might be won over on tribal grounds.

However, if you water down that pool by legalizing a ton of illegals, the 40% may not be achievable or even realistic. Particularly if the Democrats counter with their own La Raza nominee like that Mayor of Los Angeles.

I'm not particularly impressed with Rubio. I'd much rather see a nominee like Ted Cruz if race has to be the main factor in our selection.

31 posted on 02/04/2013 10:17:18 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ilgipper
Rubio (or any Republican) would win getting 40% of Hispanics.

BS. I suggest you take a look at an electoral map and also where most Hispanics live. According to the exit polls, Hispanics/Latinos made up 10% of the total vote, compared to 13% for blacks and 3% for Asians. Whites made up 72% of the vote--I presume that that figure includes some white Hispanics since 53% of Hispanics self-describe themselves as white. Non-Hispanic whites are 66% of the population.

Hispanics voted 71% to 27% for Obama. Even if Rubio were to increase his vote total of Hispanics by an additional 13%, it would be of dubious value electorally except perhaps for FL. Ted Cruz received about 36% of the Hispanic vote in Texas compared to Romney's 30%. And this is Texas. No way Rubio gets 40% nationwide especially if Hillary is the Dem nominee.

Reps are deluded if they believe that nominating a token candidate to take advantage of identity politics will be successful against the Dems. And I bet that Hillary will surpass Obama in getting the woman's vote. Obama got 55% of the woman's vote.

He is Reaganesque in his speaking, and has been a solid legislator for conservatives (not perfect, but solid).

What has he done of note?

If he navigates a reasonable result on immigration, I think he’ll prove to be a worthy candidate. I’ve said for awhile, this immigration will make or break Rubio’s presidential aspirations. His position is reasonable; the question is whether legislation reflect his ideas or is a sellout to the left to allow amnesty after the fact.

Reasonable? I beg to differ. Rubio has joined with Schumer, McCain, and Graham to give us essentially McCain-Kennedy all over again. He is supporting amnesty. As someone who has actually read Simpson-Mazzoli, Hagel-Martinez, and McCain-Kennedy, what we see is old win in new bottles. Rubio is just the new salesman for amnesty.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty.

The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

36 posted on 02/04/2013 10:20:31 AM PST by kabar
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To: ilgipper
I like Rubio on many issues and would probably vote for him. But not for President. He's not a Natural Born Citizen. I don't have problems with people with Hispanic last names or Japanese last names, hell, I really don't care where their ancestors came from as long as they are Conservative and a Natural Born American.

Rubio is an American. But he can't ever be the POTUS since he's not natural born. His parents were CUBAN when he was born.

40 posted on 02/04/2013 10:24:30 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: ilgipper

Somone that wants to create a program that takes trillions from our pockets and give it to lawbreakers....like Rubio plans to do with Rubio-Obama Amnesty...is no conservative. No more Karl Rove liberals


64 posted on 02/04/2013 10:52:29 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: ilgipper
I recently voted with Rand Paul on stopping the export of military equipment to Egypt.

If I am reading your statement correctly, you are claiming to be a United State senator.

75 posted on 02/04/2013 11:06:59 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: ilgipper

I agree. I’m Hispanic myself, but that’s not the reason I like Rubio. He is the most gifted articulator of conservative principles since Reagan. The probably with Romney was that he wasn’t “fluent in the language of conservatism” since he was a big-government, establishment Republican at heart. Rubio captures the possiblilty in America as an opportunity society vs. the Democrat vision of equalized misery and government control as the “new normal”.


80 posted on 02/04/2013 11:18:57 AM PST by Conservative Vet
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To: ilgipper

First Rubio is not NBC and he knows it. But, the fact that he may be willing to run for president anyway says a lot about him. That, plus his tendency to use money that does not belong to him to buy things for himself, makes him less than trustworthy, no matter what words he happens to ‘speak.’ Compare that with Ronald Reagan who was not a liar or a thief.

It would be difficult for someone whose very act of running for president is anti Constitution. Along with enabling the anti-sovereignty position of amnesty to become codified law, this will alienate conservatives while earning only a few of the “hispanics” his nomination is designed to gain, causing the US to lose its identity to the millions of foreigners, the majority of them socialists, who will stream into this country and keep conservatives from ever returning this country to sanity. Needless to say, this act will do more to water down conservative strength in every election across this entire country than anything the dems have done to date.

About that forty percent, once the democrats start their smear campaign against him, Rubio would be fortunate to get 20 percent of the hispanic vote. Which would do nothing to make up the conservative vote he is losing for his anti-Constitution, anti-sovereignty stance.

Giving up US sovereignty for a promise that has been made before but has never been kept, is not reasonable. Running for president when you know you don’t meet the qualifications shows a supreme disrespect for the law. Not the best qualities in a presidential candidate.


131 posted on 02/04/2013 2:28:00 PM PST by Waryone
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