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Radical Environmentalists Have Blood of 19 Arizona Firefighters on Their Hands
Townhall.com ^ | August 5, 2013 | Rachel Alexander

Posted on 08/05/2013 6:31:46 AM PDT by Kaslin

Nineteen firefighters died fighting a forest fire in Arizona earlier this summer. Curiously, almost no one is talking about why it happened, only that it was a tragedy. Arizona Deputy State Forestry Director Jerry Payne has been the only one to speak out about the cause, and he backtracked immediately afterwards, apologizing for what he said. He claimed that the superintendent of the Granite Mountain Hotshots violated wildlife safety protocols while fighting the Yarnell Hill Fire on June 30th, 2013, 60 miles north of Phoenix.

According to Payne, the superintendent’s violations allegedly included not knowing the location of the fire, failing to have a spotter serve as a lookout, and leading his crew through thick, unburned vegetation near a wildfire. There wasn’t a proper escape route in case the fire changed direction; the firemen would have to bushwhack through thick brush to retreat. The firefighters lost their lives when the fire suddenly changed direction and came at them, traveling 12 miles an hour. The fire destroyed more than 100 of the roughly 700 homes in Yarnell, burning 13 square miles. Flames shot up to 20 feet in the air.

The account given by Payne is not the whole picture. Firefighting today is not what it was 20 years ago. Fires 20 years ago moved slowly, at 2-3 mph. Today they move at speeds of 10-12 mph. There are three reasons for this. First, people are building more homes near or within forests. In the past, no one dared to build a house in the forest, because there weren’t fire departments everywhere. As one retired firefighter told me, “Try to find a photo of a house in the middle of the forest from 100 years ago. You can’t.”

Secondly, environmentalists started insisting that every forest fire be put out to save trees. Natural forest fires, which are necessary to preserve the balance of nature, are no longer allowed to burn. The overabundance of trees has created an easy path for forest fires. Firefighters who used to easily outrun forest fires can no longer do so. An op-ed in the Los Angeles Times explained the phenomenon last year, “Decades of heroic victories against fire led to gradual defeat in the larger war. Fuel builds up, and when it ignites, the fires burn hotter, faster and more destructively.”

The third reason there are faster wildfires is due to environmentalists’ efforts to shut down logging in the name of protecting the latest fashionable endangered species. Environmental groups like the Sierra Club have filed federal lawsuits against the U.S. Forest Service to stop it from thinning forests, and injunctions have been granted paralyzing the agency while years of litigation drag on. These include lawsuits against President George W. Bush’s 2003 Healthy Forests Initiative, which allowed more thinning of forests to prevent fires. Radical environmental groups are opposed to the removal of trees from old-growth forests. But dead trees need to be removed or burned in controlled fires, otherwise they present a highly flammable risk from lightning or arson. Ironically, mega-wildfires are burning down forests where logging has been prohibited – a waste of thousands of acres of trees.

These three factors have caused vegetation to become so dense across the country that it is too risky to attempt prescribed fires anymore. Many of the species the radical environmentalists claim need protection, such as the Spotted Owl, will not be saved by keeping more forest land standing. The Spotted Owl was already headed for extinction in the Northwest before the draconian policies were put into place. In 1990, green activists got regulations passed requiring timber companies to leave at least 40 percent of the old-growth forests intact within a 1.3 mile radius of any Spotted Owl nest or activity site. The Clinton administration used The Endangered Species Act to keep old-growth forests untouched. In 2008, liberal federal district judge Susan Bolton upheld a U.S. Forest and Wildlife decision to declare 8,600,000 acres (35,000 km2) in Arizona, Utah, Colorado and New Mexico as critical habitat for the owl. Yet no one has any idea how many Spotted Owls are in the Southwest now. Bill Block, manager of the Forest Service's wildlife and terrestrial ecosystems program in Flagstaff, Ariz., told the New York Times a couple of years ago, "We don't know if we've got 5,000 owls or 10,000 owls, because there's never been a concerted effort to figure that out," he said. Ironically, the biggest threat to the Spotted Owl has become the mega-wildfires.

Forest fires used to burn across just a few acres of land. "Now, we’re firmly in the multiple 100,000-acre landscape fire,” Professor Wally Covington of Northern Arizona University lamented. It’s not uncommon for a forest fire to exceed 150 square miles. University of Idaho forestry expert Dr. Leon Neuenschwander has stated, “Flames are 90 feet tall instead of 3 feet tall.”

Part of the solution is to have people who choose to live near public forests help manage the risk. Libertarian writer John Stossel suggests that people who choose to live in risky areas, such as on oceanfront property, should be required to assume the risk, instead of leaving it to the government to bail them out. Developers should also be required to assume part of this risk, as a disincentive to build homes in risky areas.

Congress needs to start a full investigation into the radical environmental policies that led to this tragedy. Eighty-three firefighters died last year. This year will surpass that number, as 70 fatalities have been reported already. How many more firefighters must die before someone stops the radical environmentalists? They will only agree to cutting down small-diameter trees and the thinning of forests near communities. There are several laws that must be changed, including the National Environmental Policy Act. It has been used to prohibit logging and controlled forest fires. The Forest Service 2001 Roadless Area Conservation Rule (Roadless Rule), implemented during the last days of the Clinton administration, should be repealed. It prohibits roads on millions of acres of National Forests, making them off limits to logging or other use. Today, 58.5 million acres, or about 30 percent, of National Forests are roadless.

There will always be wildfires caused by lightning and arsonists, as well as species that become extinct due to natural causes. To pretend otherwise reeks of an agenda – an agenda to move Americans into urban areas and to reduce man’s technological control over nature. These socialist goals will leave more and more rural Americans and firefighters in danger, since no American can outrun an out of control forest fire.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: antilogging; corruption; democrats; envirofascism; environazis; environmentalist; environmentalists; environmentalwhackos; firefighters; greenfraud; logging; prescotthotshots; sierraclub; thegreenlie; tragedy; wildfires; yarnellfire
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To: ridesthemiles

The environmentalists do the same thing after a huge burn, they will not let the timber companies come and harvest the burned trees and replant. So these burns, one of them over 500 million acres in the Cave Junction, Oregon area are ready for another huge fire, but this time it will burn so hot through the already burned and dead trees, the topsoil will become a glass, sterilized surface where no plants let alone trees will grow for decades.


21 posted on 08/05/2013 7:52:02 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: rktman

Here’s another:

An investigation into the July 10 “30-mile fire” in central Washington state has uncovered that the Endangered Species Act (ESA) played a central role in the deaths of four young firefighters combating the blaze.

The U.S. Forest Service initially denied that environmental concerns had anything to do with the July 10 events, but then changed its story after evidence showed a largely contained fire had flared up to an uncontrolled emergency after firefighters were denied necessary water due to concerns over endangered fish living in a local river.

After the fire flared up, the four firefighters were cornered by flames in a narrow canyon and were killed by the flames before permission was finally granted to scoop water from the local river.

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2001/10/01/esa-blamed-firefighter-deaths


22 posted on 08/05/2013 7:52:37 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: Michael.SF.
According to Payne, the superintendent’s violations allegedly…failing to have a spotter serve as a lookout Sorry, but that statement simply is not true

My take on that comment was that Payne meant a second lookout should have been deployed during their descent into the valley. The first lookout (Brendan) apparently was on a different ridge and had already left when the fire approached his position.

23 posted on 08/05/2013 7:53:16 AM PDT by CedarDave (Trayvon Martin history: The MS media is in love with burglars and thugs in training.)
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To: Kaslin
99.999999% of all species to ever live on this earth are now extinct. It is a natural fact of life for every species including environmental wackos.
24 posted on 08/05/2013 7:59:37 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: sasquatch

Yup. Gotta save the little fishies rather than some folks trying to save a forest. These didiots should be held accountable but they won’t be.


25 posted on 08/05/2013 8:06:10 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: sasquatch

There was a range of issues when fighting that fire. The reason those people died was because of criminal mismanagement.

From the incident review: http://www.fs.fed.us/t-d/lessons/documents/Thirtymile_Reports/Thirtymile-Final-Report-2.pdf

“All 10 Standard Fire Orders were violated or disregarded at some time during the course of the incident. (See Standard Fire Orders Section, page 40)”.

The problem with the helicopter was not one of policy, but of confusion over policy. Per a Department of Interior memo (September 21, 1995) addressing endangered species considerations states that there are “no constraints…if they place firefighters in danger.” It also states that “impacts to endangered species by helicopters during fire suppression activities have to be considered within the context of all other ground activities and the fire itself.”


26 posted on 08/05/2013 8:31:09 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Alter Kaker

You are correct. This writer doesn’t understand fire ecology or the USFS protocols that over the last 100 years have hopelessly mismanaged National Forests.


27 posted on 08/05/2013 8:33:38 AM PDT by stormer
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To: agere_contra

Environmentalists have worked to ban livestock grazing from public lands for decades. Sheep and cattle grazing on forests and BLM land used to keep understory and dry grass proliferation under control. The bans on grazing have greatly contributed to the increase in wildfires.


28 posted on 08/05/2013 9:23:55 AM PDT by ailsa
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To: sasquatch; sauropod

this one & 26:

// Here’s another:

An investigation into the July 10 “30-mile fire” in central Washington state has uncovered that the Endangered Species Act (ESA) played a central role in the deaths of four young firefighters combating the blaze.

The U.S. Forest Service initially denied that environmental concerns had anything to do with the July 10 events, but then changed its story after evidence showed a largely contained fire had flared up to an uncontrolled emergency after firefighters were denied necessary water due to concerns over endangered fish living in a local river.

After the fire flared up, the four firefighters were cornered by flames in a narrow canyon and were killed by the flames before permission was finally granted to scoop water from the local river.

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2001/10/01/esa-blamed-firefighter-deaths //


29 posted on 08/05/2013 11:47:34 AM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: agere_contra
The first thing that grows back are fast-burning grasses rather than typical chaparral flora. Don’t know how important that is.

Because it is fast burning, a hotshot crew might set fire to it as a backfire - it will burn and die out fast but flames won't be extremely high. Once burned it acts as a firebreak for an advancing fire front. This assumes a crew was in an area with grass and would have time to do this to protect structures or themselves. In this case the crew was surrounded by heavy brush when the flames arrived, tried emergency clearing an area but were overwhelmed.

View the video of the site where they were killed with explanation and discussion by Prescott Fire Department Division Chief Darrell Willis.

Granite Mountain Hotshot Shelter Deployment Site, Yarnell, AZ

30 posted on 08/05/2013 12:49:01 PM PDT by CedarDave (Trayvon Martin history: The MS media is in love with burglars and thugs in training.)
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To: Kaslin; Alter Kaker; Arm_Bears; pgkdan; BitWielder1; Michael.SF.; Mercat; Paladin2; ROCKLOBSTER; ...

View the post and video link at #30. Very sobering video filmed at the place where they died.


31 posted on 08/05/2013 12:58:46 PM PDT by CedarDave (Trayvon Martin history: The MS media is in love with burglars and thugs in training.)
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To: CedarDave
The person quoted in the Townhall story, Jerry Payne, is shown in the video and at the link leaning against the fence as Willis talks to the media.

Media views site where Hotshots perished

32 posted on 08/05/2013 1:24:33 PM PDT by CedarDave (Trayvon Martin history: The MS media is in love with burglars and thugs in training.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s about money. The environmental wackos really, really hate private businesses, but they hate loggers even more. The loggers could fix this by thinning the forests (they have the tools and the expertise), but the wackos won’t hear of it because the loggers would make a buck. We can’t have that.


33 posted on 08/06/2013 8:42:33 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: Kaslin
As one retired firefighter told me, “Try to find a photo of a house in the middle of the forest from 100 years ago. You can’t.”

That might come as news to Zane Grey.

34 posted on 08/06/2013 9:10:04 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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