Posted on 08/05/2013 6:31:46 AM PDT by Kaslin
The environmentalists do the same thing after a huge burn, they will not let the timber companies come and harvest the burned trees and replant. So these burns, one of them over 500 million acres in the Cave Junction, Oregon area are ready for another huge fire, but this time it will burn so hot through the already burned and dead trees, the topsoil will become a glass, sterilized surface where no plants let alone trees will grow for decades.
Here’s another:
An investigation into the July 10 “30-mile fire” in central Washington state has uncovered that the Endangered Species Act (ESA) played a central role in the deaths of four young firefighters combating the blaze.
The U.S. Forest Service initially denied that environmental concerns had anything to do with the July 10 events, but then changed its story after evidence showed a largely contained fire had flared up to an uncontrolled emergency after firefighters were denied necessary water due to concerns over endangered fish living in a local river.
After the fire flared up, the four firefighters were cornered by flames in a narrow canyon and were killed by the flames before permission was finally granted to scoop water from the local river.
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2001/10/01/esa-blamed-firefighter-deaths
My take on that comment was that Payne meant a second lookout should have been deployed during their descent into the valley. The first lookout (Brendan) apparently was on a different ridge and had already left when the fire approached his position.
Yup. Gotta save the little fishies rather than some folks trying to save a forest. These didiots should be held accountable but they won’t be.
There was a range of issues when fighting that fire. The reason those people died was because of criminal mismanagement.
From the incident review: http://www.fs.fed.us/t-d/lessons/documents/Thirtymile_Reports/Thirtymile-Final-Report-2.pdf
“All 10 Standard Fire Orders were violated or disregarded at some time during the course of the incident. (See Standard Fire Orders Section, page 40)”.
The problem with the helicopter was not one of policy, but of confusion over policy. Per a Department of Interior memo (September 21, 1995) addressing endangered species considerations states that there are “no constraints…if they place firefighters in danger.” It also states that “impacts to endangered species by helicopters during fire suppression activities have to be considered within the context of all other ground activities and the fire itself.”
You are correct. This writer doesn’t understand fire ecology or the USFS protocols that over the last 100 years have hopelessly mismanaged National Forests.
Environmentalists have worked to ban livestock grazing from public lands for decades. Sheep and cattle grazing on forests and BLM land used to keep understory and dry grass proliferation under control. The bans on grazing have greatly contributed to the increase in wildfires.
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// Here’s another:
An investigation into the July 10 “30-mile fire” in central Washington state has uncovered that the Endangered Species Act (ESA) played a central role in the deaths of four young firefighters combating the blaze.
The U.S. Forest Service initially denied that environmental concerns had anything to do with the July 10 events, but then changed its story after evidence showed a largely contained fire had flared up to an uncontrolled emergency after firefighters were denied necessary water due to concerns over endangered fish living in a local river.
After the fire flared up, the four firefighters were cornered by flames in a narrow canyon and were killed by the flames before permission was finally granted to scoop water from the local river.
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2001/10/01/esa-blamed-firefighter-deaths //
Because it is fast burning, a hotshot crew might set fire to it as a backfire - it will burn and die out fast but flames won't be extremely high. Once burned it acts as a firebreak for an advancing fire front. This assumes a crew was in an area with grass and would have time to do this to protect structures or themselves. In this case the crew was surrounded by heavy brush when the flames arrived, tried emergency clearing an area but were overwhelmed.
View the video of the site where they were killed with explanation and discussion by Prescott Fire Department Division Chief Darrell Willis.
Granite Mountain Hotshot Shelter Deployment Site, Yarnell, AZ
View the post and video link at #30. Very sobering video filmed at the place where they died.
It’s about money. The environmental wackos really, really hate private businesses, but they hate loggers even more. The loggers could fix this by thinning the forests (they have the tools and the expertise), but the wackos won’t hear of it because the loggers would make a buck. We can’t have that.
That might come as news to Zane Grey.
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