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CIA was documented as doing some thoroughly naughty things in the sixties and thereabouts, IIRC. It also blew up into a huge scandal and some very public wrist slapping.

The fed LSD to people, including CIA employees, without their knowledge and one of the "test subjects" proceeded to jump out a window to his death.

Bottom line: organizations and people aren’t static. If you want to look like you got your accusational ducks in a row, try to at least have them coexist in time.

I'd have to spend my life investigating and writing volumes, which I'm not about to do just to prove a point, especially since most people would dismiss it no matter how good the evidence was. There already is a lot of research out there on the subject for those who are interested enough to read.

I'm simply trying to "raise awareness" as they say.

The number one thing I see as rotten and implying a conspiratorial connection is the very founding of the OSS and CIA by Wall Street / eastern establishment people, and the continued domination of the agency by the same establishment types.

The ruler of a nation must be absolutely sure that his espionage agents and diplomatic advisors to himself are truly loyal to him and his nation.

If the business leaders (mega-business, not mom-and-pop) of his nation "volunteer" to build and espionage agency for him, and all their people staff up the ruler's diplomatic service, and become his direct foreign policy advisors - and all those business leaders have direct business ties to their wealthy and influential counterparts in other nations, and those dealings are opaque to the ruler and his government, the first obvious question is - are they loyal to their nation or to their moneymaking ? Because they certainly could use their influence on foreign policy to enrich themselves in the process of instigating all sorts of coordinated wars and threats of war.

Once again, I point folks to the work of the eminent historian Antony Sutton, regarding the relationship between American and German business and banking during the years between the wars. If you keep researching international banking, you find that it is rotten to the core; there is no way to rationalize some of the facts.

Pieter, you so inexplicably dodge the gravamen of my point, which is time lines. Maybe it is because you know that such a thing is material to your accusations and you have nothing.

Even attorneys when they want to make a case against someone’s shady behavior, will construct time lines. That works better than a vague character smear in most courts.

(When I sued a neighbor who had exercised legal undue influence upon a now deceased aunt with Alzheimer’s in order to get her to change her will, that’s just what the attorney did. Time lines were constructed and sure enough, every time this neighbor had done something to push family off, then she shortly leaned upon the aunt. It made a case so strong that they settled out of court, for what I and the rest of her family wanted which was the aunt’s mementos.)

By the way I am taking a far more Christ like attitude than you are. I hold to the love that does not blame without a clear reason. If you want rotten, that works too well; the whole system is rotten in the sense that it is built of fallen sinners who can’t save themselves. But contrary to that is the work of God and this is visible plainly every day when fallen sinners do not sin anywhere close to as bad as they could. By singing the song of rottenness too vigorously, you risk blaspheming the work of God.

I say with grand charges must come grand proof. Just because some “eminent historian” wrote something means nothing. What vetting have you given it? I named one simple obvious thing. Time lines. Go to your conspiracy theory support group and see if they can construct time lines. Then come back. I’m not going to goose chase after this book and that book without a good reason. That is putting confidence in men and not in God.