Chaos in southern Ukraine: Deadly fire, choppers down and street fighting

CNN World ^ | updated 9:23 PM EDT, Fri May 2, 2014 | By Nick Paton Walsh, Chelsea J. Carter and Victoria Butenko, CNN

[Mariner]

Slavyansk, Ukraine (CNN) -- Deadly street fighting, helicopters shot down and civilians being used as human shields.

That was the picture that emerged Friday in southern Ukraine as violence escalated amid reports that dozens of people were killed in a fire and still more were shot dead or wounded in street fighting, raising the question of whether the country can stave off a possible civil war.

The violence -- pitting pro-Russian separatists against Ukrainian forces and those who support the government in Kiev -- prompted an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council, with Russia demanding an end to what it called Ukrainian aggression and Western powers accusing Moscow of funding the violence.

Russia and the West have squared off diplomatically over the fate of Ukraine, after Moscow annexed Crimea in March following the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. He was pushed from office after months of protests by people upset that he had turned away from Europe in favor of Russia.

[McGruff]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[NFHale]

It’s just getting old...

[Tailgunner Joe]

The USA is part of NATO. If you are an American who supports NATO’s enemies, then you are a traitor to the USA. That is not my opinion. It's a fact.

This is a pro-American website. Many here are active duty or have family serving overseas in a NATO mission. This is not a website for the treasonous support of our anti-American enemies.

[NFHale]

I don’t live in some mystical land called “NATO”.

I live in America.

I support my own country, America, where I was born, raised, live and love. As do most other Freepers.

You throw the word “traitor” around and know nothing about the folks you apply it to.

You bring people to your viewpoint - or not - by convincing them with facts, not vitriol. This is a discussion and opinion forum, and you will encounter people with different opinions than yours.

And I respect your right to your opinion. You should respect others’ rights to disagree with you.

And for the record, yes - I DO think Russia is still a dangerous threat to us.

So lighten up.

[Tailgunner Joe]

I don't respect traitors who support our enemies.

I respect our NATO allies who sent troops to Afghanistan to fight and die alongside American soldiers. Those traitors whom support our Russian enemies should leave America. Loyal Americans are going to help the Ukrainians kill America's Russian enemies. Don' t get in our way.

[NFHale]

Obviously, you came out here looking for an argument. I’m not in the mood to argue with you.

You’ve already lost the argument, as far as I’m concerned.

“..Loyal Americans are going to help the Ukrainians kill America’s Russian enemies. Don’ t get in our way...”

Well, when you get on that plane and land over there, let us know how you make out.

We have enough of our own problems right here that need dealing with. We’ll see how many of those “NATO allies” are there for US - the American people - here if our current situation goes SHTF.

You have yourself a great trip.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Have fun waiting for the endtimes in your bunker with you alex jones show, wingnut.

[NFHale]

I love you too, sugar.

Big, big smooch!!

[Tailgunner Joe]

Let me know when you start the revolt against our zionist occupied government.

[NFHale]

You’re SOOOOOOO cute when you’re angry!!! Love the way your unibrow crinkles up when you get.... so emotional!!

[Hacksaw]

I hate to say this but I think Ukraine is better off with Russia than the degenerate West.

[rbmillerjr]

Another who has lost touch with reality. Completely.

[DTA]

>>>>>>The first is that Russia has stirred all this crap up and has infiltrated Ukraine with hundreds of SpecOps inciting, arming and organizing ethnic Russians in an attempt to overthrow a legitimate Urkainian government. <<<<<

Current regime in Kiev can not be called "legitimate government" by any stretch of imagination. "Our man Yats" and his Nazi thugs from the Right Sector are junta who establish themselves as country rulers in a coup AFTER an an agreement was brokered between Germany, Poland and Russia to hold elections in May and elect new Ukrainian government.

These are verifiable facts. One can have right to personal opinion but not the right to personal facts.

[Rebelbase]

A truer perspective in Che

[DTA]

>>>>>>Russia started this, they wanted a civil war, and it looks like they may get it. Sad.<<<<<

Yes, their key agent was even caught on tape saying "F the EU" and kick started the whole mess.

[DTA]

>>>>>The Ukrainians are very good at this as they have been occupied first by the Commies and then by the Fascists, and then by the Commies again.<<<<<

This is very simplified and an inaccurate view.

it is true that SOME Ukraininans were occupied by the Commies and then by the Fascists.

However, some Ukrainians WERE the Commies. The biggest of them all Nikita Khruschev stole Crimea from Russia in 1954 and gave it to Ukraine.

And some Ukrainians WERE and ARE the Fascists. Even gave a whole Waffen SS division to Hitler. Not exactly "occupied by Fascists". Much of current junta in Kiev are the fascists. (Svoboda, Right Sector)

[DTA]

"And killing as many Jews as they could get their hands on. Not because they were aligned with the Soviets, but because they were Jews."

Ukrainian Nazis were equal opportunity murderers, they murdered over 100,000 Polish men, women and children.

All this ugly history is rearing its ugly head again. Burning 40 people to death in Oddessa is just the beginning.

Nazi junta is holding three government departments and they are ready to set not only Ukraine but Europe ablaze.

American lawyer Jonathan Levy has filed request to ICC to investigate "Our man Yats" and other thugs responsible for this.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Loyal Americans are going to help the Ukrainians kill America's Russian enemies. Don’ t get in our way.”

Great to hear that. Remember us when you get there on the Ukraine Eastern border and good luck too.

I know when you are out there on the line there will be no internet, no luxury hotels with internet on the front line of battle.

So when we never hear from you again we will know you died as a hero, not just some anonymous internet poster blowhard telling others to fight. You probably are already gone and cant even read this.

Good bless and RIP. We remember and honor true heroes.

[Impy]

LMAO!!!!!

Seriously Joe, I’m 100% against the Russian pigs but you should probably chill with the whole calling people traitors thing.

[caww]

.....”To say anything else is simply denying the facts in evidence”......

Not sure why so easy for people to “go with the flow” of the Media’s twists on things without researching on their own. The entire situation has been playing out long before the revolution itself...

At issues is the Eu/Nato/US expansion and they know they cannot “control” Russia as they do other countries who are members of the EU.

As we are seeing, by the Eu/US creating this unrest on Russia’s border it’s doing exactly as they knew it would...Isolating Russia... which has risen above the once status of the Soviet Union. Becoming too powerful, and after Syria too popular among nations as a leader nation.

Russia’s involvement with Brics only assured the US that Putin had his own plans...this coupled with ‘Euro-asia’ uniting and becoming stronger with Russia, well the EU had to play hardball to retain/maintain their momentum for Global Dominance. Ukraine would be the kickstart to stop Putins popularity and force an International outrage against him....as we now see happening with all the mass media undergirding this rage.

Not much different then the Ukraine Nazi nationalists who’ve been lurking about for years waiting for their moment to surface again. Who as with the Muslim Brotherhood covet political power.

What continues to be striking to me is the US’S consistant undergirding the violent and deadly elements of these counties whom they seek out to perform the nasty business, they won’t do, for the regime changes they want to see. And then hide behind a curtain of deception to present to the world “we are only seeking Democracy and Freedom” for the people there.....what utter nonsense!