Libertarians Versus Conservatives

Townhall.com ^ | June 11, 2014 | John Stossel

[ansel12]

There is no libertarian who truly believes in freedom who also supports killing babies. It is a non-sequitur.

Abortion is a fundamental position for libertarianism, just as being pro-life is for conservatives.

Pro-life libertarians are a minority, and they support and promote an ism that is pro-abortion, the old Ted Kennedy position of being "personally pro-life" but supporting and promoting the democrat party.

[demshateGod]

At least one place needs to be sorted out: that prison where our Marine is being held. Citizens need to...self censored.

[DManA]

Currently we spend 40 cents of every military dollar spent on earth. We out spend our nearest rival 4 times.

How much is enough? 5% of our GDP? 10%?

If you want my head to explode say “what ever it takes”.

[NFHale]

Hey Bulwyf, how do, brother?

I’m ALL for hitting the bad guys on THEIR turf, rather than waiting for them to hit Main Street USA...

It’s never a bad thing to recognize a real, lethal threat and neutralize it - forcefully, if all other methods fail.

Neutralizing Adolf Hitler in the 30s would have spared a lot of horror and death. A 20 cent bullet from an M1903A3 (or a Kar98K Mauser) could have stopped WWII before it got started.

[DManA]

This one dimensional number line metaphor does nothing but cloud thinking. It is a crutch so people don’t hurt their brains thinking too hard.

[rbmillerjr]

“Another key issue is that libertarians want the security-industrial complex to be reined in and made to obey the Constitution, while too many conservatives are willing to allow the Fourth Amendment to become collateral damage in the latest war (whichever one it is at the moment).”

Actually that is a weak straw man issue.

[xzins]

Rand Paul claims to be pro-life, but he isn’t officially a libertarian. He’s hard to figure out.

I have heard of quasi-choice libertarians.

I’ve heard of rape/incest/life of mother ‘pro-life’ libertarians.

Mostly, though, and exactly as you say, libertarians are pro-abortion.

HOW can they possibly object to any homicide if they don’t object to every homicide?

[Responsibility2nd]

I asked Bolton if he thought the Vietnam War was a good intervention. "Obviously, the way it played out, it was not," he said, but, "it's always easy after the fact to second-guess."

Bolton was right. But Stossel wants to second guess the Iraq conflict? And claim that libs were right on their being against it?

He's an idiot. And he's one of the better libs.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

-— HOW can they possibly object to any homicide if they don’t object to every homicide? -—

Because personally, most are libertines. I used to hang out with Party members when I went through a libertarian phase in my younger days.

[rbmillerjr]

“I’d like to have a conference with the Putin and tell him he can have the Ukraine, but now he needs to settle down”

Neville, you tried that in the 1930s...It didn’t work. See Sudetenland, Czech, Poland, Norway etc.

[demshateGod]

You see, I agree with me, and you, but I don’t want this regime to do anything at all about Russia. I don’t want Fedzilla to do anything at all. I want them to cease to exist because they’re evil. Their trajectory will make them increasingly worse. Where I differ from Libertarians is they want all their anarchy protected by this evil government. Yes they do. Leaving Fedzilla alive, while legalizing heroine, will make this country so horrible that we’ll pray the mountains will fall on us.

[Responsibility2nd]

There is no libertarian who truly believes in freedom who also supports killing babies. It is a non-sequitur.

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Are you outta your mind? There are TONS of libs who support abortion. Even here at Free Republic.

Are you on some Zot pinglists by The Old Lady and others? You should be. You’ll see JR zot the pro-abort liberaltarians around here on a regular basis.

[ConservingFreedom]

Libertarians ignore reality/experience more than conservatives. They ignore the stink hole America would be if they got are their crap legalized.

Libertarians take to heart the reality/experience of Prohibition.

[xzins]

Younger days....Are you an official OG, STAquinas? :>)

[xzins]

Yes, I’m outta my mind. Next question. lol

Actually, I have run across pro-life libertarians. My sense is that there are very few open pro-abortionists on FR.

[Gunpowder green]

There still would have been war in Europe, except it would have been with Russia. As it turned out, the Nazis took that bullet for us, not a bad outcome.

[cdcdawg]

We are still using the WWII model. Afghanistan is not Germany or Japan, it’s a backwater hell-hole, and always has been. Iraq is no better. Guilt makes us stay around to try to save them from themselves.

[Responsibility2nd]

Let’s face it. Many libertarians and many conservatives maintain caricatures of each other in their minds.

Be that as it may, and considering the very title of this thread 'Libertarians vs. Conservatives'; we see one thing very clear:

You can either be a lib or a conservative. But you can't be both. And for the many many libertarians who infest Free Republic claiming to be conservative; they just lie.

[tanknetter]

I see it as two dimensional, with traditional Lib vs Conservative on the X axis, but Statist/Libertarian on the Y.

That would place Randian Objectivists in the upper right quadrant, Hippie Libertarians in the upper left, Communists in the lower left quadrant and Fascists in the lower right.

One benefit of this construct is that when Libs trot out the claim that Obamacare is a center-right, market-based solution, you can easily back them into an admission that it’s Fascist economics...

[ansel12]

Libertarians are lefties, it is why they can’t be conservatives.