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Can Liberalism Be Saved From Itself?
Sam Harris blog ^ | Oct. 7, 2014 | Sam Harris

Posted on 10/09/2014 11:34:50 AM PDT by DeweyCA

The most controversial thing I said was: “We have to be able to criticize bad ideas, and Islam is the Mother lode of bad ideas.” This statement has been met with countless charges of “bigotry” and “racism” online and in the media. But imagine that the year is 1970, and I said: “Communism is the Mother lode of bad ideas.” How reasonable would it be to attack me as a “racist” or as someone who harbors an irrational hatred of Russians, Ukrainians, Chinese, etc. This is precisely the situation I am in. My criticism of Islam is a criticism of beliefs and their consequences—but my fellow liberals reflexively view it as an expression of intolerance toward people.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: affleck; harris; intolerance; islam; liberalism; maher; samharris
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It's funny to see an atheist liberal (Sam Harris) complain about having to face the kind of liberal smears that conservatives face every day. BTW, Harris smears Christians by using these exact same tactics when he associates ALL Christians with those people who participated in the crusades or inquisition.
1 posted on 10/09/2014 11:34:50 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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2 posted on 10/09/2014 11:36:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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answer this and you’ll have the answer:

can ebola be saved from itself?


3 posted on 10/09/2014 11:37:14 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Liberals/leftists have learned that the accusation of racism keeps them from having to defend bad ideas.

They use it because it works. It works because we’ve let it work.


4 posted on 10/09/2014 11:38:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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It’s funny when Harris is accused by Ben Affleck of being a bigot and racist and intolerant because Harris criticizes Islam. Liberals don’t like being smeared by other Libs. Welcome to reality, Sam.


5 posted on 10/09/2014 11:38:27 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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Under different names, it’s been saving itself from the same suicide since the time of Woodrow Wilson.


6 posted on 10/09/2014 11:38:49 AM PDT by onedoug
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I'll see your pic and raise you one.


7 posted on 10/09/2014 11:41:11 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Proud to be Attacked by the GOPe daily!)
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Your fifteen minutes of fame: getting called a racist my ben affleck - hahahahahahah


8 posted on 10/09/2014 11:41:12 AM PDT by februus
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Can Liberalism Be Saved From Itself?

Hope not.


9 posted on 10/09/2014 11:41:35 AM PDT by Iron Munro (We can make it work with only one square per restroom visit -- Sheryl Crow)
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But Mr. Harris, why is Islam the mother lode of bad ideas? Sure, they kill people, but why is that bad? What absolute standard are you using for judging evil?

Think that over. Oh, and if such thoughts lead you to give up your atheism, we welcome you. We’ve got a lot of ex-atheists in the pews already.


10 posted on 10/09/2014 11:43:52 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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The question should be, “Should liberalism be saved from itself?”

It is a self-destructive ideology, based of something akin to cannibalism, decimating everything around it, then with seeming relish, begins to devour itself.

Eating their own cannot happen fast enough.


11 posted on 10/09/2014 11:53:12 AM PDT by alloysteel (Most people become who they promised they would never be.)
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Mr.Harris’s atheism springs not so much from biological and evolutionary introspection as it does his belief that religion is the fundamental barrier to universal peace and harmony. As such, atheism is his religion and is just as destructive to the human spirit as is Islam etc.


12 posted on 10/09/2014 11:56:31 AM PDT by yetidog
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I can respect a classic Liberal

But Intellectually rigorous Liberal Thought has been preempted
by the power structures behind Socialism and Progressivism

A similar process has occurred in the Republican party
Nullifying the True Conservatives

True Classic Liberals and True Conservatives are NOT enemies
They actually complement each other, and add a needed balance.

13 posted on 10/09/2014 12:03:11 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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Galatians 6:7

7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.

Looks like Harris is getting a bumper crop!


14 posted on 10/09/2014 12:05:53 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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Boohoo. Poor liberal baby. However, he does have a point that Islam is not a race. The largest? Muslim country in the world is Indonesia, which are Asians. Islam has infected all races and many ethnic groups. Gotta give credit to Afleck for being the first to use the race card out of his clueless sleeve. Surprised that Sean Penn hasn't come to the front of this "racist" issue.

Hey Ben, what is your carbon footprint? Bet it's bigger in one day that mine is all year. Still, need that money and fame, so if you whine about stuff, it makes you superior. Whatta pr*ck. Like we always say STFU and make movies - Argo was pretty good, except for your acting.

15 posted on 10/09/2014 12:07:37 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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Liberalism doesn’t need saving. The Republic needs saving FROM Liberals.
Liberalism needs a bullet in the head. The political debate needs to shift to Libertarians vs. Conservatives.


16 posted on 10/09/2014 12:08:20 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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Harris wants someone to be saved? Hmmm...


17 posted on 10/09/2014 12:10:51 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse OÂ’Leary)
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No. Nothing changes until the blame stays home.

Nothing changes for people who have to lie about what they believe in in order to persuade others to agree with it, as with Global warming, for one of many examples.

What does that Sanity Test failed approach say about the things they are telling themselves?

It tells me they won't bail out. Nope, they'll ride this "thing" down all the way to the scene of the crash and force everyone to ride along with them.

On a spiritual level, there is only one being known for such deceit. He is the master of it.

By their fruits...

18 posted on 10/09/2014 12:11:08 PM PDT by GBA (Hick with a keyboard)
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The political debate needs to shift to Libertarians vs. Conservatives

Libertarians can be liberal or conservative
A better analogy is Libertarian vs Statist

There are a LOT of Libertarian Conservatives on this site...

19 posted on 10/09/2014 12:12:37 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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What’s there to save? I thought America had swung so far to the left that fanatical, extremist liberalism was the new “moderates”.


20 posted on 10/09/2014 12:13:58 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Got Ebola? Come to America!)
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