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Lucky for us there are those that still see their service as honorable. Unlucky that people like fonda and john f'n kohn-heinz-kerry got the press that the subversives wanted. Undermine the war at home and turn the public against the war and in a lot of places the service men and women.
1 posted on 02/23/2015 5:48:12 AM PST by rktman
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I went to our local VFW to play Bingo yesterday. My first time there. I am happy to announce that in the urinals they have placed the “official Hanoi Jane urinal stickers” that I happily aimed and hit center mass.


2 posted on 02/23/2015 5:53:26 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Do you know who Barry Soetoro is?)
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Add Cronkite to those slime balls as well.


3 posted on 02/23/2015 5:53:41 AM PST by Portcall24
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I hope that anti-American SOB cronkite is burning in Hades.

The number of US soldiers who died as a result of his broadcasts is countless!

We would/could have won, if not for him.


4 posted on 02/23/2015 5:54:26 AM PST by freedumb2003 (AGW: Settled Science? If so, there would only be one model and it would agree with measurements)
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’ Undermine the war at home and turn the public against the war and in a lot of places the service men and women. ‘
The left saw the error of their ways with their treatment of the service men and women and changed their tune.
But we need to stop their undermining military actions. I’ll never forget Harry Reid saying, “The Iraq war is lost” in 2007.


5 posted on 02/23/2015 5:55:44 AM PST by griswold3 (Just another unlicensed nonconformist in am dangerous Liberal world.)
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My best friend served in Viet Nam... my understanding is that the US never suffered a tactical defeat in that fight.

The politicians lost that one for us...but the politicians were not the ones who took the heat for the loss.

6 posted on 02/23/2015 6:00:35 AM PST by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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"Many popular films dealing with Vietnam – such as “Apocalypse Now,” “The Deer Hunter,” “Good Morning, Vietnam,” “Rambo” and “Full Metal Jacket” – serve as great entertainment, Botkin said, but they often grossly distort the reality of the warriors who fought courageously to stop the spread of communism."

If Full Metal Jacket would have stopped at the end of boot camp, it would have been a great movie. I did not think that 'The Deer Hunter' was an anti Vietnam Movie. On the contrary, I thought it protrayed people's emotions about the war in a very realistic light. I thought the ending (with them all singing God Bless America in the bar) was a very pro American message. Which was very brave at the time (1978) when you consider that being pro American was not exactly in vogue.
8 posted on 02/23/2015 6:05:14 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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I think the first positive thing I ever saw on TV about those serving in Viet Nam was a TV show called Magnum P.I.


10 posted on 02/23/2015 6:08:00 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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I hope people realize that the LEFT’s war against our military has been going on for years and years.

And .. the Oscars prove my point. The highest grossing movie for quite a long time is pushed aside as a non-entity.

Movie goers .. I hope you realize the HOLLYWOOD-ITES just spit in your face.

I haven’t been to the movies in quite a few years. Why should I spend my dollars to support spoiled rotten, grossly overpaid people who do nothing but write, direct, and star in productions specifically to lie and hide the truth.

When a real movie comes along, “American Sniper”, they make sure it does not get rewarded.

But .. the left has gotten away with far too many attacks upon America .. when are we going to shut our purses to these “radical” people ..??


13 posted on 02/23/2015 6:09:56 AM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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My big problem with Vietnam was LBJ and not fighting the war to win it.

Dad fought as a Marine in the Pacific between 42 and 45. My uncle fought in the USAAF out of England at the same time. The end game was to beat the enemy, no (well few) holds barred until the enemy were dead or begged for peace. Now we didn’t do this in Korea or Vietnam and unfortunately we didn’t do it in the sand box either. We had the power but we didn’t have the intestinal fortitude.

Until we get back that fortitude, we will remain in this malaise.


14 posted on 02/23/2015 6:09:59 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Excellent article.

IMO, kerry, fonda, cronkite, and the rest are still guilty of treason.


19 posted on 02/23/2015 6:12:55 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Scouts Out!)
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After 50 years I have come to the belief that we were never meant to win in Viet Nam.

Viet Nam, like Korea before it, were a way to fight the Soviet Union without going nuclear. It was a way to bleed the Soviets (they and the Chinese were providing the material to fight the war).

By the end of 1966 we had the man power and the air superiority to overwhelm the Viet Cong and the North Viet Names Army. We pissed away our advantage.

Over the past few days I have been reading newspaper articles that covered Nov 1965 to Nov 1966 (the time I was there).

I realized every operation we made was in the newspaper within a day of the operation beginning, along with the goals, and the means. The enemy did not need any spies to figure out what we were doing, the media was telling them, sometimes with maps!

Not only that, they were telling them how effective or not effective we were.

The enemy knew where we were, what we were doing, and more important where we were not. No one can win a war if the enemy knows that much information about you.


25 posted on 02/23/2015 6:16:38 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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AMERICA DID NOT LOOSE THE VIET NAM WAR!

Revisionists and journalists with similar political agendas have guided an entire generation of young Americans to believe that America lost the Viet Nam war. Sadly, many older citizens have allowed time and a politicized ‘media’ to cloud and/or alter their memories.

The facts are certain. American troops and airmen lost not a single battle during that war. The combined military forces of America, Thailand, New Zealand, and Australia, four of the supporting nations of the South East Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO), South Viet Nam and South Korea won the war against North Viet Nam and the Viet Cong, plain and simply.

The stated military goals were precise. SEATO forces were to neutralize or push the ag-gressor forces out of South Viet Nam. South Vietnam was to be armed for it’s own self de-fense. In fact, the Viet Cong were effectively neutralized. North Viet Nam’s army was pushed back home. The rail bridges connecting North Viet Nam and China were sev¬ered. The Ho Chi Ming trail was rendered inoperative to vehicles. Haiphong harbor was mined, greatly restricting the flow of war materials into North Viet Nam from the Soviet Union.

The enemy was forced to sign peace accords in Paris, ending the military conflict on SEATO’s terms. Prisoners of war were repatriated. America’s war ended then. Our Con-gress subsequently voted not to re-engage after North Viet Nam violated the accords later.

So why do most Americans believe that we lost that war? Is it because of the fierce fighting at the onslaught of the 1968 Tet Offensive that was, in fact, the Viet Cong’s last hurrah? Is it because of the film footage of our embassy personnel being evacuated from Saigon in 1975, three years after our war ended? Is it because of the anti-war demonstrations and turmoil at home during the war? Is it because of anti-military sentiment still fostered by left wing politicians? Is it a classic example of a ‘Big Lie’ told often enough to establish credibility in gullible people?

How have the revisionists been so successful in creating a believable lie? It may be simplistic to imply that Americans inappropriately trusted TV journalists, political commenta-tors and editorialists, collectively termed ‘the media’, instead of historians, but the answer may be that simple. To this day, most Americans do not understand why we became engaged in that war, the stated objectives or the true outcome.

Twelve days of intense air assault in 1972 by 700 of our aircraft in an operation named ‘Linebacker II’ converted our air superiority over Viet Nam into air supremacy wherein our bombers, including B-52’s, could fly uncontested to any target in North Viet Nam. North Viet Nam’s supply of SAM missiles was expended and it’s supply lines severed. The vulnerable and impotent enemy signed the peace accords in Paris. Our war ended in victory.

Our WW2 victory on the island of Iwo Jima was not nullified because we returned the Island to Japanese control two decades thereafter. Similarly, our victory in Viet Nam was not nullified because three years after our departure, North Viet Nam reneged on the peace accords and overran South Viet Nam, unopposed by the departed SEATO military forces.

Military victory is not diminished by what politicians give away later. We won that war. Buffalo Head

28 posted on 02/23/2015 6:18:09 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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I want to see that movie and will if it ever comes here. If not I ill wait for the DVD. I see very few movies. I finally got around to Gran Torino last month. It was the first I have seen in probably 6 years and it was on DVD.One way or another I will go to or get this one.


29 posted on 02/23/2015 6:20:02 AM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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When Stalin signed the non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany in 1939, the Communist Party turned from fighting fascism to advocating peace. The Washington Commonwealth Federation newspaper vigorously promoted this new line. May 23, 1940

If you understand that Communists have always been treasonous Whores, then you will understand their opposition to Vietnam.

It wasn't because of the "Give Peace a Chance" thing. It was because we were killing their Communist Friends.

34 posted on 02/23/2015 6:25:09 AM PST by KC_Lion (The Issue is Not The Issue, The Issue is The Revolution.)
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Remember that WW2 was a “good” war in terms of the Left because the U.S. was an ally of the Russians = good. In Korea and Vietnam were were fighting communists (Russians, Chinese, and surrogates) = bad. That's why these traitors were undermining the war effort at home and abroad. They were under orders and funded by Moscow and Beijing.

As far as Vietnam went, America had withdrawn by 1972 and the North tried a conventional attack to conquer South Vietnam. American air power broke the backs of the VC/NVA forces and the South Vietnamese repulsed the attacks.

Then came Watergate, Nixon's troubles and resignation. The Democrats in House and Senate, cut off all money, spare parts, ammunition — everything — to the South Vietnames government and denied U.S. air support so the communists could win. The 1972-1975 Democratic Congressional majorities and the MSM made certain the communists won because they had allied themselves with our enemies.

Nothing has changed — they're still the enemy and have grown stronger with their lies, deceit, and alliance with radical Islam.

Trivia: although LBJ got the blame for the war years, the guy who micromanaged the war for him was SecDef Robert S. McNamara. His policies and strategies, micromanagement including ROE and target selection, got a lot of Americans killed. After LBJ was dead, McNamara wrote a book that blamed LBJ for everything and exeronerated himself of all blame. This guy never got the credit for his despicable policies and actions.

41 posted on 02/23/2015 6:37:14 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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Gaip’s book he said they were real close to surrendering and then the B-52’s stopped coming.


53 posted on 02/23/2015 6:54:33 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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I’m a Vietnam vet. A movie like this is long overdue.

The day when Jane Fonda croaks is also long overdue.


56 posted on 02/23/2015 7:04:38 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I: am a radicalized infidel.")
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“Deals?” I only saw one new movie mentioned, “Ride the Thunder.” Is there another?


68 posted on 02/23/2015 7:55:38 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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CNN’s coverage of Operation Tailwind, in which American troops were alleged to have murdered deserters, was designed by Peter Arnett & Co as a way to exonerate Jane Fonda.

They forgot though that there were Vietnam veterans who saw their service as honorable, and they ended up shooting down CNN instead.


74 posted on 02/23/2015 8:19:54 AM PST by onedoug
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