Skip to comments.Fracking pushes New York towns to consider secession, join Pennsylvania
Posted on 02/25/2015 5:10:42 AM PST by thackney
...According to WBNG in Binghamton, 15 New York towns in the southern tier of the state are considering seceding from New York and joining neighboring Pennsylvania because of Gov. Andrew Cuomo's fracking ban.
A local group called upstate New York Towns Association is examining whether such a plan is possible, and if it's worth the cost.
James Finch, Conklin Town supervisor, told Capital New York that "everybody over the border has new cars, new four-wheelers, new snowmobiles," because of the stronger economy in Pennsylvania, which allows fracking.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...
The Upstate New York Towns Association, Inc. was formed on July 18, 2013 because there are needs and interests of towns in upstate New York that are different than the needs and interests of towns in downstate New York.
The purpose of the Association is to deliver quality programs and services to Upstate NY towns by promoting the common good and general welfare of the towns and their residents.
Membership is open to towns in Upstate New York defined as NY state towns which are north of Interstate 84.
THREE POINT PLAN
1 PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN UPSTATE NY TO CREATE JOBS AND INCREASE POPULATION
2 PROMOTE INCREASED ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY IN UPSTATE NY
3 PROMOTE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT FREEDOM MEANS IN UPSTATE NY
Everyone in N.Y. is getting fracked. In fact the whole country is getting fracked.
Marcellus Shale envy: New trucks, snowmobiles in ‘every’ Pa. driveway
Nearly everyone, it seems, in New York State’s economically stagnant Southern Tier has a story of Marcellus Shale success in neighboring Pennsylvania.
The bartender at Birtchy’s Joint knows a New York truck driver who doubled his income simply by going south of the border to work for a Pa. employer tied to the thriving fracking industry there.
A lunch patron at Jane’s Diner laments why Upstate New York can’t have its piece of the natural gas pie. Ironically, she says this while proceeding to devour a slice of the restaurant’s to-die-for chocolate and peanut butter pie.
And business owner after business owner sing the blues over slipping sales, plunging town populations and increasingly cash-strapped consumers. All this, while just south in prosperous Pennsylvania, the cash registers of their commercial counterparts are ringing like never before.
Simply put, there is some serious Marcellus Shale envy here in New York’s Southern Tier.
...This is a tale of two sides of the Marcellus Shale.
To the south, in Pennsylvania, Conklin Town Supervisor James Finch sees a new truck in every driveway, a new snowmobile in every shed and new siding on every house — all of it fueled by fracking.
Meanwhile to the north, New York’s Southern Tier towns have gone from struggling to starting to die, Finch says.
“The prosperity over there is great,” Finch said of Pennsylvania. “Here, we have nothing.”
Such is economic situation and public sentiment that is fueling talk of secession in New York towns that stretch along Pennsylvania’s border....
They would have to close the door as everyone West and North West of NYC ( excluding Schenectady and Albany ) would be trying to get aboard and get away from the perfumed Prince Andrew and the dysfunction that is NY State.
Where’s my truck? Where’s my snow machine?
Folks, this boom does not affect everyone like that. If your job is directly linked to the gas boom, then sure. But, these jobs will not be permeate. Even more so because the gas coming out of the wells is about to be taxed. And there is no more drilling on public land.
It reality it is FOUR counties, not just a few towns. I hope they can figure something out. The Utica Shale is there too. Clean, dry and local. They have a chance, may take a few years. But, all of upstate NY should let the downstaters screw their own lives up.
False, they won't affect everyone, but they permeate to many business not associated to oil/gas.
That is why housing, steel mills, cable suppliers, heavy equipment operators, etc all feel the boom and bust. In some areas, it has drive wages for even Walmart and McDonalds...
New York State should donate New York City to New Jersey, and Pennsylvania should also donate Philadelphia (aka West Camden) to New Jersey.
All three states would be improved.
A ban on fracking is a regulatory taking, and landowners should be compensated.
How Marcellus Shale divided a state: ‘Left-wing wackos’ vs. struggling small towns
...This is how some of the put-upon people of New York State’s Southern Tier see themselves, and many are sick and tired of it.
Their slice of the sprawling, diverse Empire State is a world away from the affluence, urban density and gleaming skyscrapers of New York City. Yet, some Southern Tier residents feel as if the powerful New York City politicians with voting blocks on the New York General Assembly and strong voices in the Governor’s Mansion control their fate from afar.
The bones of contention in this age-old Upstate-Downstate rivalry are many: Taxes, especially property taxes, economic development, income and jobs.
Still, the Southern Tier always believed it had an ace in the hole.
That was the resource-rich Marcellus Shale and all the natural gas locked away in this geological formation millions of the years in the making.
The shale runs wide and deep underneath the dying towns all along New York State’s border with Pennsylvania. And beneath the Marcellus lies a whole other formation — the Utica Shale.
Simply put, the area has the potential to be producing natural gas for decades, if not centuries. And many in the Southern Tier believed it was their destiny to tap this game-changing economic resource as if it were a divine gift to this depressed area, arriving just in time to save it....
yeah, if your area goes through a oil/gas boom, it will only effect those directly linked to oil/gas... < /sarc>
In the heart of North Dakota’s Bakken Formation lies a free-market poster childa spot where fast-food workers earn multiples of the $7.25 federal minimum hourly wage.
“Our starting wage out there is $11, and that’s just to start,” Jon Munger said about his Williston, North Dakota, Hardee’s franchise. “We’ve got people at $13, $14, $15 at the crew level.” Management positions fetch as much as $20 per hour.
The energy boom isn’t confined just to Williston. Munger feels the ripple effect from North Dakota’s robust economy throughout the state.
Williston is the busiest location of Munger’s 99 Hardee’s restaurants, 10 of which are in North Dakota.
“The difference in Williston is that we’re busy 24/7,” Munger said in a phone interview. “They talk about New York and Vegas never sleeping. Williston never sleeps.”...
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Now being in the boom also means being in the eventual bust, however, watching your “neighbors” gather wealth while your politicians lock up your own resources is tough to watch...
Well.... Let me tell you what I see. I’ll give you the steel, cable and heavy equipment operators. From an interstate view, this is a boom. From a local view, when the wells are drilled and the pipe laid and the compressor stations are running, you just need the maintenance crews. Everything else moves. Now that the infrastructure to is in place that gas is flowing. But, so are the jobs. To the next drill site.
That is why I said, the jobs are not permeate. I should have added locally.
NYC Democrats view upstate New Yorkers as poor white-trash. Gun owning rednecks. Areas such as Binghamton/Elmira/Syracuse are economic basket cases. Have been for decades. They finally have an opportunity to rise up from poverty and the Dimwits in NYC beat them down.
I like this idea.
Maybe Central California could changed to Eastern Nevada.
Compressor stations, gas treatment plants, ethane crackers, expanded and cheaper local natural gas supply...
There is far more to becoming an area of production than just the drilling. The drilling drives an initial boom, but more jobs will remain than existed before. And some drilling “booms” will last for many years.
Yes, I understand how that works. And I am STRONG pro fracking. But, with our new Gov., I think he is going to cause a harder bust by driving the gas companies out of PA. Once the infrastructure is in place, only maintenance crews are needed. But, if drilling is no longer profitable, we all loose.
You need to understand there is more to Natural Gas production than just a well.
The Natural Gas processing plants and compressor stations hire skilled labor, keep local supply and machine shops busy, etc.
Not just increased Natural Gas for lower heating, more power plants, lowered cost of electricity, but also local production of propane, ethane, drive additional business.
I hope you are right. But, I seen a bad sign up the road from me. Shell Appalachia reclaimed a frack water retention pond. If it was not for a road sign, you’d never know it was there.
Yes, I have a vested interest as a land owner in all this. And it is not about ground water. The safety measures they have now should be shutting up the envirowackos, but nothing does.
I have only seen two new flares since the beginning of this year. I don’t know if the price is no longer profitable, Wolfie has them scared in Harrisburg, or Ohio and West Virginia is better quality gas.
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