Posted on 03/19/2015 7:32:13 AM PDT by fishtank
Why doesn’t NL put doubters that a fetus is “alive” on the list?
They stopped being interested in Science the day they printed their first Gorebull Warming article.
Old earth creationism is more or less uncomfortably accommodated in most fundamentalist circles.
Any serious view of scripture must acknowledge that metaphysics has changed since the times of creation and that factor, let alone others, makes it very difficult to project back to the creation times from a modern viewpoint. If you have done what the Scotty of Star Trek could not, then the rules go out the window. What is a 24 hour creation day? What is a multimillion year creation day? It becomes an exercise in imagination, not in science or even in hermeneutics.
That would be included in any article that sought to discuss the issue fairly, honestly and without a political agenda.
It’s somewhat snobbish, actually. From an armchair we can all go on these virtual safaris and Know So Much.
It’s being characteristic of itself. The cow did not jump over the moon.
There are places in the Universe we can see today with the most advanced telescopes whose single day lasts longer than one billion years here on the Earth due to the time dilation effect in physics created by the Creator.
Unfortunately, “young earth creationism” is making heavy-handed inroads. There’s a homeschooling conference coming up that we’d like to attend; oddly, exhibitors are REQUIRED to sign a declaration that they adhere to “young earth creationism”. I don’t mind if it’s taught as a valid POV/theory, but kids need know what rigorous science has concluded (right or wrong).
Who is making war on who?
From http://freekenthovind.com/
The most famous, feared and notable creation speaker Dr. Kent Hovind spent nearly a decade in federal prison. Charged with up to 100 years for ‘mail fraud’ before release.
He was a science teacher for 15 years and began a full-time creation ministry. He was travelling all over the world doing seminars on creation, evolution and dinosaurs. He debated more then 100 scientists concerning evolution versus creation and created the well known 7 part video creation series translated into 32 languages.
In 2007 he was incarcerated for ‘structuring’ based on inaccurate charges. Now on 2 March 2015 he is scheduled to begin a new trial for being charged for using the prison mail system ‘fraudulently’ to appeal his previous 58-felony count conviction ‘contempt’...
Some alarming charges made there against the prosecutors. Nothing to take the breath away from anyone familiar with the prosecution of targeted individuals but the hatred displayed in the charges against Kent Hovind is bare and raw.
In my opinion Global Warming is faith-based science.
Well...those “time dilation areas” are subject to cosmically extreme conditions which tear apart anything existing there. It’s a great example that time is relative and matches the “to God, a day is as a millennium, and a millennium is as a day” verses which must be applied to understanding the literary devices used in the creation narrative. It’s a lousy explanation (which some have promoted) for imputing Earth with a 10,000 year existence (such a gravitational pocket would tear the planet apart to sub-atomic particles in microseconds).
With all due respect, National Geographic, if anything, you have it backwards. Religion is not “at war” with science, but “science” seems intent on proving religion wrong.
Science is never wrong right.
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There are two main theories about scientific theories:
1) The syntactic approach - theories are a collection of sentences
2) The semantic approach - theories are simplified models of the World.
The semantic approach regard theories as abstract structures that apply not to the world as it is but to an idealized world purged of irrelevant considerations.They enable a scientist to make explanations of observed phenomena.Creationists are entitled to form their models of the world and to see how well they explain observables.
Science has become a Bad Religion....it all about political power, it speaks as if they were infallible, and to disagree it in any degree with the orthodoxies dogma you are branded a heretic..
” It’s a lousy explanation (which some have promoted) for imputing Earth with a 10,000 year existence (such a gravitational pocket would tear the planet apart to sub-atomic particles in microseconds).”
You are talking about the time dilation effect which takes place due to the acceleration of velocity within the hyper-gravitational field of a singularity or Black Hole. I was not.
The time dilation effect occurs everywhere. It occurs on the surface of the Earth, but the velocities here on the surface of the Earth are relatively miniscule with correspondingly miniscule changes in time dilation. Astronauts in orbit around the Earth have measured miniscule time dilation due to the higher orbital velocities. Hobbyists in Seattle, Washington have measured miniscule time dilation between their near sea level home and the lower gravitational afield atop the adjacent Mount Ranier heights.
Some of the most distant galaxies we can see with our telescopes have a velocity which is a substantial fraction of the speed of light. Because of their much greater velocity relative to our own Milky Way Galaxy, Sun, and Earth, all of the stars and planets in one of those speeding galaxies has experienced a much slower passage of time than we have experienced.
Understand, this has nothing to do with the matter which has passed into the event horizons of any singularities or Black Holes within those galaxies you have alluded to. We’re only talking about normal matter, stars, and planets within those galaxies and not subject to a hyper-gravitational field like a singularity.
The physical rule is quite simple. The greater the velocity of a body of matter as a fraction of the speed of light results in a slower passage of time for that body of matter. A person with a longevity of 100 years will therefore experience 100 years passage of time on his/her planet while the Earth and its inhabitants experience the passage of thousands, millions, or billions of years.
Insulting the wantonly ignorant is bullying, and proves just as little.
On serious issues, the media should try to arrange discussions/debates between intellectual peers, not run Punch and Judy shows where the discussants are badly mismatched. I have no doubt, for example, that Richard Dawkins is seriously smart, and intellectually outclasses someone whose higher education amounts to two weeks at Cousin BillyBob's Bible Academy. But has Dawkins ever sat for a serious discussion on religious issues with someone with the scientific and philisophical chops to punch back?
“Science has become a Bad Religion....”
You’ve got it all wrong. Global Warming or Climate Change is politics pretending to be science, which means they are pseudo-science and not science at all. Another apropos description is Lysenkoism. Astrology is not science. Astronomy is science. Improper science is non-scientific. just because someone claims to be a scientist engaged in science does not necessarily mean they are engaged in actual science.
Merriam-Webster offers several definitions for Geography. The conventional definition that I learned at school is: “an area of study that deals with the location of countries, cities, rivers, mountains, lakes, etc.”. A broader definition is “a science that deals with the description, distribution, and interaction of the diverse physical, biological, and cultural features of the earth’s surface”.
The National Geographic magazine long ago exceeded the original boundaries implied by its name. It has pushed Evolution even longer than I can remember, funding and frequently publishing finds of the Leakey family in Africa at least as far back as the early 1960s, for example. There is no question that NG pushes a Liberal agenda through environmentalism and non-geographic topics.
Point understood, but inapplicable. There isn’t any indication that Earth’s history is no more than 10,000 years - with or without time dilation. We’re also not moving near-light-speed relative to most other things in our galactic supercluster. Those “most distant galaxies moving near light speed” are already billions of lightyears away; if our local geologic/cosmological histories are indicative of billions of years, and theirs are too (insofar as we can deduce from their structure), and we’re both on basically opposing sides of expanding space, then the passage of time in the intervening “non-moving” space must be much older still.
Yes, time dilation occurs to varying degrees under varying conditions, but we’re not seeing any local indication of “short time” for Earth, and conditions imputing “short time” require extremely high energies which few structures can survive intact.
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