Posted on 03/19/2015 7:32:13 AM PDT by fishtank
Well said, again. :)
NG has become just another leftist yellow sheet.
That’s right. Another “I feel good, I’m an enlightened Progressive and I read National Geographic “ rags.
“Point understood, but inapplicable. There isn’t any indication that Earth’s history is no more than 10,000 years - with or without time dilation.”
That statement is false and pure nonsense that is utterly divorced from reality. Such a statement is no better than the worst of the Global Warming and Climate Change delusions.
“We’re also not moving near-light-speed relative to most other things in our galactic supercluster.”
Of course we are not, and I never said we were.
“Those “most distant galaxies moving near light speed” are already billions of lightyears away; if our local geologic/cosmological histories are indicative of billions of years, and theirs are too (insofar as we can deduce from their structure), and we’re both on basically opposing sides of expanding space, then the passage of time in the intervening “non-moving” space must be much older still.”
That statement is entirely false and demonstrates how you lack a proper understanding of the related astrophysics and astronomical observations. There is no such a thing as the “intervening ‘non-moving’ space” you use in your description. We are currently observing an expanding Universe. The volume of space in the Universe is expanding everywhere at the same time. The volume of space intervening between the Earth and the edges of the observable Universe are expanding, and they are certainly not “non-moving” space. The amount of expanded space within in our local group of galaxies is too insignificant to be obviously relevant to their own spatial dimensions, just as the lower velocities of objects on the Earth in the macroscopic world are too insignificant to be readily apparent outside a physics experiment.
“Yes, time dilation occurs to varying degrees under varying conditions, but we’re not seeing any local indication of “short time” for Earth, and conditions imputing “short time” require extremely high energies which few structures can survive intact.”
You should realize that statement was a bunch of irrelevant mumbo jumbo that has little to do with actual science. A hobbyist in Seattle collects surplus atomic clocks. He conducted an experiment for his sons. They synchronized a number of atomic clocks at home near sea level. They then loaded half of the synchronized atomic clocks onto their van and drove the van up to a lodge on the upper slopes of Mount Ranier for the weekend. When they returned home to Seattle they compared the atomic clocks they took high up on Mount Ranier to the other half of the atomic clocks they left at home deeper in the Earth’s gravitational well near sea level. They found a measureable difference in the passage of times recorded by the atomic clocks. So what you are incorrectly labeling as “short time” or a difference in the passage of time, time dilation, was measured and observed right here on the Earth due to the differences in the strength of the Earth’s gravitational field at different altitudes. So, your comment, “conditions imputing ‘short time’ require extremely high energies which few structures can survive intact” is total rubbish and totally non-scientific.
The time dilation effect being observed with respect to the galaxies nearer the edge of the Universe is principally due to their greater velocity as a fraction of the speed of light. There is no such correspondingly great acceleration in velocity away from the Earth, Sun, and Milky Way Galaxy because of their mutual gravitational attraction keeping them together as a group traveling at near the same relative distances and velocities with respect to each other. Consequently, they experience the same relative differences in time dilation with each other versus the speedier galaxies on the edges of the observable Universe.
“That statement is false and pure nonsense that is utterly divorced from reality”
Quite a berating, with absolutely no counter presented. What physical evidence have you that the earth is no more than 10,000 years old?
As for the rest of your berating screed, you proceeded to prove my point.
Indeed, more unpoliticized study needs to be done in the remarkably complex arena of climate change. The geologic record shows widly varying global and regional climate shifts. Eventually, if the political mandates don’t block it, an understanding will be achieved. It’s very alarming to me when the government black further research by declaring the conclusions they favor to be settled science. It is especially worrisome when there isn’t any explanatory or predictive model that actually works.
However, by the same token, when the con men like Kent Hovin or Ken Ham hold up either the Bible or put on their “Biblical glasses” and declare that any science not conforming with a literal translation of Genisis is wrong, that the world is a mere 6,000 years old and that all the geologic features were created in a worldwide deluge, that is equally absurd and chilling.
When you think about it, the global warming enthusiasts who want to stop any contrary opinions have much in common with the young earth creationists.
The Earth is more than 4.6 billion years old. The Sun, Solar System, and Earth are late generation bodies in comparison to the first generation of stars and planets.
“Science is merely man’s methodology for trying to analyzed, understand and categorize what God has created.”
Lots of the early pioneers in science had that mentality. God created it, so it is orderly and has consistent mechanisms in which the world can be studied. Galileo was a biggy (even though the church didn’t like his findings), Newton, etc. Some of them even had the attitude if they can understand the world better, they can understand the Creator better.
So what are you berating me over? Seems you’re violently agreeing with me.
What I find interesting is that as science has advanced in their effort to answer some basic questions of life, existence etc, they are increasingly finding more questions than answers.
It’s as if there is no end, as if there is no finality of understanding.
I am all in favor of science and its efforts to find truth. But, what we have seen over the years is the invocation of any number of theories that are simply, unscientific.
Theories, that seem to be out of a desperate attempt deny the obvious.
“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”
Robert Jastrow
“So what are you berating me over? Seems you’re violently agreeing with me.”
No....
“Point understood, but inapplicable.....”
Your depiction of time dilation relying solely upon hyper-gravitational fields sufficient to disintegrate matter is utterly false and wrong.
Note, just because National Geographic has been sold into the hands of the non-scientific Liberals in no way means a star is not a star just because the Liberal biased National Geographic remarked that a star is a star. The same can be said about a great many scientific topics, including current evolutionary theory. Likewise, just because National Geographic promoted pseudo-science such as Anthropogenic Global Warming conjecture does not indicate such conjecture has anything to do with actual science versus pseudo-science.
““Science” and scientists have totally politicized: I don’t believe a word they say”
That is about like an ostrich sticking its head into a hole in the ground while complaining the air has turned into a sea just because a thunder shower passed overhead for awhile.
No requirement for the Nomex; God created the earth in 6 days then sat back on the 7th to observe his little experiment.
So; what exactly what constitutes a day for GOD, that’s one question only GOD knows the answer to.
Alas, there are a lot of people who think they know the answer too and are being rather nasty to others about it.
balderdacious drivel
remember algore failed divinity school he has no science at all
his lack rivals that of many here
Well respected? Not since the 70s.
Well respected?
Show me where I said it was “well respected”.
Easy, tiger. The article stated it. I was simply agreeing. You can put the gun back in the holster now. ;-]
Hey, tiger, I never took the gun out of the holster.
You made the silly remark, not me.
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