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Iran is on both sides of the table (Zero has caved to every Iranian demand)
Israel Hayom ^ | Monday April 20, 2015 | Richard Baehr

Posted on 04/20/2015 9:33:38 AM PDT by Dave346

It is a general rule of negotiations that you don't negotiate with yourself. This advice is intended to prevent one side from being the only party that offers bridging proposals or compromises, and continues to offer more even after every offer is rejected as inadequate by the second party.

In such cases, the negative party simply waits to see how far the offering party will go, and whether it will eventually come around to fully accepting every demand. The offering party proves, by its succession of improved offers and its unwillingness to give up on the negotiations, to be the more desirous, even desperate, to conclude a deal. Such a strategy inevitably means that the offering side will lose on the substance of the negotiations.

However, if the real goal of the offering side is simply to conclude a deal, any deal, and the terms of the deal itself are less significant, then it may still regard a negotiating defeat as a victory.

The negotiations between Iran and the P5+1 over Iran's nuclear program have provided pretty clear evidence that the United States has been playing the role of the offering party, and Iran that of the negative party. The other members of the P5+1 have been somewhere in between, also anxious to reach a deal and resume commercial activity with Iran, but not as anxious as the Obama administration to give away the store on the various features of Iran's current nuclear program that they will be allowed to retain and on the inspections regime going forward. In fact, one member of the P5+1, France, has even argued that the United States has at critical stages in the negotiations all but lobbied for Iran's position in the negotiations with the other P5+1 members, U.S. President Barack Obama has made it clear that his real goal in chasing after Iran for almost all of his six-plus years in office, was to conclude a deal over Iran's nuclear program that would enable Iran to rejoin the "community of nations," whatever that term might mean to him.

As seen in the recent meeting between Obama and Cuban leader Raul Castro, nothing brings a broader smile to the president's face than slapping hands with a former foe (even if that foe is totally unreformed, despite our reaching out to touch him). The big handshake between Obama and an Iranian leader after the next round of talks, or maybe after another round or two after the next one (if that is what it takes to give the Iranians what they want), will have the president smiling even more widely. Iran can continue to threaten to wipe out the U.S., and Israel too, and continue to aggressively push its interests all over the region, but we will have dropped our enmity, and the president can claim his policy of diplomacy rather than war has again been successful (see Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Syria for other success stories).

The last week of negotiations with Iran in late March provided perhaps the clearest evidence yet that the Obama administration has no meaningful red lines in these talks, and in the end will concede to pretty much every Iranian demand. As Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communication Ben Rhodes has publicly proclaimed, reaching a deal with Iran on its nuclear program during Obama's second term is just as important to the White House as passing health care reform was for the administration in the first term. It is the biggest policy initiative in play in the foreign policy realm and Obama and his agents will stick with it until they get it done, whatever "it" may turn out to be.

In the final weeks before the last self-imposed deadline of March 31, extended of course for a few days because Iran stuck to its guns, the P5+1 made another in a long series of retreats from its initial negotiating posture. The Hill newspaper identified five major retreats by the P5+1 in the final stages of the latest round of negotiations: banning uranium enrichment; capping centrifuges at 1,500; shuttering secret nuclear facilities; ending Iran's ballistic missile program, and finalizing a 20-year deal.

This week, it became even clearer how far the P5+1 have moved, despite the release of deal summary points after the last round ended that suggested something quite different. In fact, immediately upon their return home from Lausanne, Switzerland, the Iranians publicly boasted of their negotiating achievements, claiming that the American talking points on the deal were false. Mixed in of course were a few more "Death to America" chants, a recommitment to eliminating the State of Israel and a reiteration of all the areas in which the negotiations would have zero impact, such as Iran's other military programs and its overseas commitments (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Gaza, to name a few).

American negotiators, led by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and the president himself, assured Americans that Iran's public face on the deal, and its continued bellicosity, were nothing more than what was needed for domestic consumption to cover up the concessions the Iranians had made in Switzerland. The Iranians responded by stating publicly that there would be no deal unless all sanctions were eliminated the day a deal between Iran and the P5+1 was signed.

Kerry had argued publicly that the U.S. had not and would not agree to that, but Obama signaled this week that on this, too, "Yes, we can." The president shifted to a new line of argument: not to worry about sanctions relief since there were always sanctions "snap-backs" if Iran misbehaved. Instead of Iran earning sanctions relief by good behavior, it would get sanctions removed at the start (a quick $50 billion in their pockets, with another $80 billion soon to follow) and if it then misbehaved, some of the sanctions might "snap back." It is pretty clear that the president's view of things at this point was that the two sides (or at least one side) had come so far, that no single unresolved issue was going to cause his deal to go up in smoke.

If you don't think the threat of sanctions "snap-back" is viewed as a real deterrent to cheating on the agreement once the Iranians have their money, then you don't think like Obama. The alternative is that you think like him, and probably don't care if they cheat (after all, he would have likely gotten his handshake with some Iranian leader at a signing ceremony by the time they started cheating) or you are part of the professional pundit class that is required as a condition of employment to approve of everything he does (e.g. you work for Vox, The New Yorker, or The New York Times, among others).

Jeff Jacoby wrote this week that the real threat from Iran was not that the Iranians were lying, but rather that they were not. What is real, whatever deal they sign, are the threats to Israel, the re-arming of Hamas and Hezbollah, and the continuation of an irreconcilable conflict with America. Iran has been truthful about what it has demanded in the negotiations and what it is getting. It is our side that seems to have been faking it with a release of a collection of deal points to suggest we were pretty much there, and the Iranians had moved on a bunch of issues.

The critics of the deal, including three former secretaries of state and experienced arms negotiators, are all voices in the wilderness at this point. Our erstwhile negotiating partner in the P5+1, Russian President Vladimir Putin, has announced that now is the perfect time to deliver an advanced missile defense system to Iran, which will make any military strike against the regime significantly more difficult (not that the military option was ever even "on the table" for Obama). Obama's response to Putin's announcement was the usual unflappability (perhaps better described as an Alfred E. Neuman-like "What, me worry?").

Obama commented that he was surprised it took Russia so long to decide to do this. Keep in mind that Obama was heard on an open microphone before the end of his first term telling a Russian leader that after he was re-elected, things would get easier between the two countries, presumably meaning that there would no longer be political obstacles to making concessions to Russia to improve bilateral relations. The Russians have caught on. Their invasion of Ukraine has drawn minimal Western response, and the weapons sale to Iran will likely be the first of many such sales.

Putin has learned that he can taunt the United States and its president without any serious repercussions. Iran may have learned something more, that the president is not really an opposing party at the negotiating table. His eagerness for a deal is so strong that it trumps any resistance even as Iran hardens its terms. It must seem at times to the mullahs that Iran is on both sides of the table.

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; US: Kentucky; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bomb; iran; israel; jerusalem; kentucky; letshavejerusalem; nuclear; obamanation; randpaul; saudiarabia; terror; war; waronterror

1 posted on 04/20/2015 9:33:38 AM PDT by Dave346
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To: Dave346

It was Obama’s intention from the very start to give the Iranians everything they wanted.

2 posted on 04/20/2015 9:34:58 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (True followers of Christ emulate Christ. True followers of Mohammed emulate Mohammed.)
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To: Dave346

zer0 didn’t cave to Iran. zer0 represent Iran.

3 posted on 04/20/2015 9:37:50 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Dave346

Here is my summary of negotiations with Iran:


-Get rid of sanctions
-Let us maintain our research and development of nuclear material and ICBMs
-Keep the inspectors out of our country.


-OK on the condition that you say Isreal has the right to exist and stop calling for the destruction of America.




-OK on the condition that you pretend this is a tough deal for Iran.




Ok. We are glad that you accpet our conditions.

4 posted on 04/20/2015 9:38:49 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (POPOF. President Of Pants On Fire.)
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To: Dave346
"As seen in the recent meeting between Obama and Cuban leader Raul Castro, nothing brings a broader smile to the president's face than slapping hands with a former foe "

Well... it's not like Castro's Cuba or the Ayatollah's Iran were ever his enemies. They are America's enemies, not Obama's.

5 posted on 04/20/2015 9:39:00 AM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Pelham

” Well... it’s not like Castro’s Cuba or the Ayatollah’s Iran were ever his enemies. They are America’s enemies, not Obama’s. “

Obama is aiding our enemies all over the world.

6 posted on 04/20/2015 9:42:12 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Dave346
King Obama is showing his Muslim belief. He is a radical Muslim and has been since the beginning. He only effort was to take America economy down and reduce the military. He needed to build a hidden army of radicals. Then to destroy as much freedom as he could. He knew his MSM and his planted communists leaders in his Administration could fool much of America. It worked and America may never recover since he will now work on a third term.
7 posted on 04/20/2015 9:48:43 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Correct. He didn’t cave on anything. He did exactly as he was instructed. His sole function is to unleash hell on earth.

8 posted on 04/20/2015 9:49:34 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (The greatest trick the Soviets ever pulled was convincing the world they didn't exist.)
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To: Dave346
Iran swears to destroy us and our response is "Hey guys, LET'S SIGN A CONTRACT!!!!!"? HAVE WE LOST OUR MINDS?

Congress where are you? This is SERIOUS business. This is life or death for Israel and America. This charade must STOP. Prosecute the SOB and remove him from office and DAMN the impact on the 2016 election.

9 posted on 04/20/2015 9:55:10 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“Obama is aiding our enemies all over the world.”

And domestically as well.

Of course it’s not like Barky considers himself one of “us”. He’s always considered himself something other than an American, irrespective of all the birther stuff.

At the age of four he moved to Islamic Indonesia. His later childhood was spent in Hawaii, not exactly typical America. His autobiographies reveal that he identifies with his African biological father- and that’s Africa, not African-American. His move to Chicago was calculated in order to give him some ‘black cred’, but he had no roots there at all.

What should disturb us is the fact that a majority of voters elected this clown twice. Barky can only do two more years worth of damage, his voters can do a lot more.

10 posted on 04/20/2015 10:01:48 AM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Pelham

” What should disturb us is the fact that a majority of voters elected this clown twice.”

Some like me, would argue that the people “UNelelected” two of this biggest Republican buffoons in history.

11 posted on 04/20/2015 10:25:49 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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12 posted on 04/20/2015 10:27:54 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“Some like me, would argue that the people “UN-elected” two of this biggest Republican buffoons in history.”

I second that.

13 posted on 04/20/2015 10:30:33 AM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Dave346

Zero hasn’t caved. He wants the mullahs to have nukes.

He was put up by forces hostile to America to do just that, and elected by morons of the Idiocracy.

Here’s the Rolling Stone review of the cult film, Idiocracy:

14 posted on 04/20/2015 11:01:30 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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15 posted on 04/20/2015 1:08:06 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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