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Ted Cruz vs. Donald Trump: Who's Stronger on Immigration?
American Thinker ^ | 08/24/2015 | Ricardo R. Galvan

Posted on 08/24/2015 7:03:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: ObozoMustGo2012
I was watching Cruz on Greta late last week and he said that he would attempt the amendment process through Congress to eliminate birthright citizenship.
Of course he would. All he knows how to do is talk and debate. If he thinks he can get a constitutional amendment passed, let alone introduced he's a bigger fool than he looks.
Whereas Trump said that the 14th Amendment AS WRITTEN does not allow for the institution of “birthright” citizenship. That the law needs to actually be followed in the manner that it was written to be.

FWIW, Mark Levin is also in line with Trump

And yet Cruz is trotted out as the most brilliant constitutional lawyer that's ever passed a bar in the last century.

Heidi, his wife, is more qualified to be president than Ted.

21 posted on 08/24/2015 9:16:38 AM PDT by lewislynn (Meghan Kelley...#sand--Rosie, the Don was right-- Hillary, lipstick on a pig)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
I was watching Cruz on Greta late last week and he said that he would attempt the amendment process through Congress to eliminate birthright citizenship.
Of course he would. All he knows how to do is talk and debate. If he thinks he can get a constitutional amendment passed, let alone introduced he's a bigger fool than he looks.
Whereas Trump said that the 14th Amendment AS WRITTEN does not allow for the institution of “birthright” citizenship. That the law needs to actually be followed in the manner that it was written to be.

FWIW, Mark Levin is also in line with Trump

And yet Cruz is trotted out as the most brilliant constitutional lawyer that's ever passed a bar in the last century.

Heidi, his wife, is more qualified to be president than Ted.

22 posted on 08/24/2015 9:17:42 AM PDT by lewislynn (Meghan Kelley...#sand--Rosie, the Don was right-- Hillary, lipstick on a pig)
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To: cripplecreek
[Trump: "Silicon Valley needs engineers"]

“there are 50% more graduates than job openings in the STEM fields.” - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/05/16/scholars-debunk-claims-of-high-tech-workers-shortage-question-industry-s-free-pass/

23 posted on 08/24/2015 10:10:00 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: cripplecreek
Stop the bleeding then cure the disease.

This is the new RINO BS propaganda phrase. Walker has been saying it too. "We'll have a conversation AFTER we secure the border!"

In reality, there's no reason why these candidates can't tell us what they support or plan to "converse" about. The only reason to keep it secret is so they can screw us.

I won't vote for a candidate who won't tell me what his plans are.

24 posted on 08/24/2015 10:18:07 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

That’s a good and important catch. What it basically means is that Cruz doesn’t actually believe birthright citizenship is unconstitutional. He bases his opposition directly against the constitution (which allegedly supports birthright) and promises to change it-— but look how meaningless that is!

Cruz’s position is basically the same as his “compromise” on illegals = we gain nothing from it only more hurt and a slower death.


25 posted on 08/24/2015 10:22:13 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: 9YearLurker
Trump by talking about deporting everyone until he lets the “really great” ones back in. (Undoubtedly everyone with a job or related to someone with a job who hasn’t committed additional, serious crimes.)

The fact that they're even getting deported in the first place makes Trump's plan a 100 times better. The second fact that Trump will base reentrance on a merit system-- which we do not have-- is even better. In his immigration plan, Trump raises requirements to insure that these people won't be straight on the dole. If those are the standards, we're looking at 90 percent reduction in the illegal immigration population, with maybe less than even 10 percent being allowed back in.

I don't actually want even the meritorious to reenter, but this in itself is far better than any of the other candidates' plans, who will simply offer legalization in mass. (I do not know what Carson's plan is though.)

26 posted on 08/24/2015 10:25:50 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I’m not sure the net effect will be any different.

But I’m behind Trump at this point anyway.


27 posted on 08/24/2015 10:27:37 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: cymbeline
Do we mean their words or their ability to get something done.

Considering Cruz doesn't have too many successes either and is promising straight out to do the exact opposite of what we want, then it goes to Trump hands out who actually has the correct policy, not the wrong one.

28 posted on 08/24/2015 10:27:46 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: 9YearLurker

It’s hard to argue that it won’t be different. As long as Trump does not renege on any part of his plan, his plan is far superior to anyone elses, even though it isn’t perfect.


29 posted on 08/24/2015 10:29:52 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I agree—I’m with him largely based on the overall plan.

(Though I regret the amnesty element.)


30 posted on 08/24/2015 10:32:31 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

The difference: Trump is a lifelong liberal oligarch who’s saying what conservatives want to hear. Cruz is a lifelong conservative, Bible believing Christian who knows firsthand the fruits of full liberalism.


31 posted on 08/24/2015 10:49:01 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: lewislynn

Everyone should see what kind of liberal you really are.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3328197/posts?page=4#4


32 posted on 08/24/2015 10:50:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
Whereas Trump said that the 14th Amendment AS WRITTEN does not allow for the institution of “birthright” citizenship. That the law needs to actually be followed in the manner that it was written to be. FWIW, Mark Levin is also in line with Trump re: 14th Amendment.

I admire Cruz's brilliance. I could easily vote for him.

However, it does bother me that he doesn't have the "will" to simply state what Levin has stated.

In the last week it's obvious that Trump listened to Levin's brilliant expose on birth right citizenship.

For as smart as he is, it is a very disturbing that Cruz doesn't passionately and boldly state a strong position on birth right citizenship and the border wall. This one aspect has caused me to shift my support from Cruz to Trump.

If we don't build the wall and end birth right citizenship our Republic will be destroyed.

33 posted on 08/24/2015 10:53:08 AM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: cripplecreek
It is sad that so many have put their faith in a lifelong liberal when they can name no other living liberal who they trust.

Can you say gullible?

34 posted on 08/24/2015 10:55:45 AM PDT by South40 (Falling for Trump's rhetoric while ignoring his liberal past is incredibly foolish)
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To: South40

Gullible is a kind word for it.


35 posted on 08/24/2015 10:57:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: Liz

For goodness sake what a load of cr*p we are getting from the Cruz bashers around here. OK, so the Donald says he is going to end birthright citizenship. The crowd goes wild cheering their head off.

No one asks how in the h*ll is going to do that. Is he going to appoint himself dictator-in-chief and do it just on his word? Is he going to do it by executive orders like Hussein?

I say h*ll no to either one of those. No man should have that much power over me and my country.

Cruz is a serious person who thinks. He wants to do this and he is trying to figure out how to do it within our constitutional republic. He gives us real options that can happen and all the Trump crazies here immediately say “see, Cruz doesn’t want to do it. Trump is my man and it is going to happen because he yells it louder than anyone else.”

The Trumpies on this board are truly losing their minds.


36 posted on 08/24/2015 11:02:39 AM PDT by fifedom
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To: SeekAndFind
So, both Cruz and Trump have RINO undertones.

Cruz does through his Goldman Sachs/Council on Foreign Relations wife, and this helps us understand his Chamber of Commerce sympathies.

By the way, her CFR work is available online for free.

http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-north-american-community/p8102

She worked with Mexico on it, as it states. She also has her own words directly quoted in the addendum area.

37 posted on 08/24/2015 11:03:54 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: kabar
The author confirms what I have been saying all along. Cruz supports amnesty even though he tries to redefine the meaning of the word and he supports increased guest worker programs to compete against Americans for jobs.

To equate H-1b and amnesty is absurd. That said, Cruz position on the former is problematic. I don't know if he was aware of the degree of abuse at the time and would like to hear a clear and unequivocal statement about it.

38 posted on 08/24/2015 11:07:49 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: fifedom

When you are president, you control the Justice Department, among others. You also determine judicial picks.

0bama has gotten a lot moved forward from his presidency.


39 posted on 08/24/2015 11:08:54 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Carry_Okie

Post number 6 for the whole truth rather than the agenda.


40 posted on 08/24/2015 11:09:12 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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