Posted on 09/15/2015 5:24:50 PM PDT by lqcincinnatus
Texas already seceded once — in 1861, by popular vote in a statewide election.
But the Texas Nationalist Movement wants a repeat a century and a half later, and thinks the March GOP primary is the place to start.
The Nederland-based Texas independence group is circulating a petition aimed at getting a non-binding vote onto the GOP primary ballot over whether "the state of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation."
Their goal? 75,000 signatures from registered voters by Dec. 1 — more than the 66,894 the Texas Secretary of State's office says the group needs to get the language on the ballot.
(Excerpt) Read more at valleycentral.com ...
What about the ninth and tenth amendments?
Don’t they cover this area. Powers not delegated are reserved by the states. Since the states had the power to enter, the power to exit exists, and it was not explicitly delegated to the federal government. So, the power to exit the union is retained by the States.
Not in one step. They were colonies that declared their independence as new states. Then the states created a confederation. Later, "we the people" of the United States, "in order to form a more perfect union," drafted and ratified a Constitution.
However, you're correct insofar as the Declaration of Independence declared the colonies to be free and independent states and the citizens of those new states were undoubtedly viewed as citizens of those states by the people who recognized the declaration. Ultimately, by winning a war for independence, everyone recognized the new status.
Metaphysically, Abraham Lincoln’s doctrine of perpetual union was Mr. Lincoln’s pretending to hold eternity in his hands. It is nonsense. The existing government of abortionists and sodomites is no authority on the question of secession.
The constitution derives it's authority from the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration of Independence derives it's authority from God.
Acts of Man do not override rights from God.
There you go. Good idea.
I LIVE in Nederland, It’s still a small town with a very good football team (Not as good as when BUM PHILLIPS was the HS coach). It is a very good place to raise children, or as in my case now, Grand Children...
But if they choose to do it your way then they had better win their rebellion.
Why should leaving be any harder than being admitted?
There is some truth in that. The Declaration can be viewed as one of our primary, founding documents. And, there are some who view the Mayflower Compact in the same way. "If it weren't for the Magna Carta, there would never have been a _______________."
However, it is the Constitution that provides the framework for our government and laws. Where there is a conflict between the Constitution and one of those other primary documents, it is the Constitution that prevails. There is, for example, tension between the assumptions underlying some of the provisions of the Declaration and the Thirteenth Amendment.
The Declaration of Independence derives it's authority from God.
There are people who believe that our Constitution is divinely inspired. So, what happens if there is a conflict? Answer: We follow the Constitution. And, if you suggest that there is no possible conflict, then you are merely suggesting that there will never be a need to consult the Declaration.
Acts of Man do not override rights from God.
How can anyone disagree with that? The obvious problem is that people often disagree about what God wants. You've studied our history leading up to the Civil War. What did you learn about how God feels about slavery? Didn't it depend on whom you asked?
Most people are reluctant to claim to speak for God when it comes to disagreements over earthly policies. However, if you look around the world, it isn't hard to find many people who believe that we as people have no right to disagree with what some religious leader believes at that time to be the word of God. In many places, these matters cannot even be safely debated - the interpretations of the religious leader have the force of law. Would you be willing to let Obama rule based upon his notions of God's will? Would you let him stone people if he claimed to find a Biblical provision to support it?
So, it all sounds good to talk about conforming our conduct to God's will. It's in the application that difficulties arise, even when it comes to simple things. How does God feel about parking meters? I am confident that there are people who can tell you if you ask them.
I prefer a system in which each person can develop his own personal relationship with God. I recognize that this preference leads to different interpretations of God's will. I recognize that some will conclude and have concluded that God prefers a system that allows for a bit of slavery, but I see things differently. However, I prefer to live with those differences than to turn all of our questions over to some figure of authority. We're all just people and we're all capable of error. There isn't anybody we can count on to be infallible or even "better than average" at divining God's will.
It would be the libs pushing to let Texas leave. Without texas, they have a Political. lock on the rest. Anyone who stays would be in for a real shock.
Leaving in the manner stipulated in our founding document is not "Rebellion." Preventing someone from leaving in accordance with the principles of our own nation's Independence is rebellion.
It is rebellion against the principle which the nation was founded upon; the God given right to leave.
It is wholly and completely true. The Constitution was created by the Government born of the Declaration. If the principle of a God given right to leave is wrong, than the government that created the Constitution was illegitimate.
There are people who believe that our Constitution is divinely inspired. So, what happens if there is a conflict?
done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
A reference to the power from which their authority is derived. That power trumps the written words of man.
How can anyone disagree with that? The obvious problem is that people often disagree about what God wants.
The Founders of this nation all agreed that he wanted people to have a right to leave a government that no longer serves their interests. They founded a nation on the premise that this belief is true. That nation then created the "Articles of Confederation", and then subsequently the "Constitution of the United States."
Never forget from whence flows the authority of law in this nation. The order of legitimate authority is God, The Declaration, and then the Constitution.
The Declaration is the grandaddy of all law in this country.
Yes, and as been pointed out to you innumerable times in any number of threads by people far more knowledgeable than I, that argument is pure nonsense.
It stands quite well on it's own merits. People who dispute it are simply lying to themselves. They lack intellectual honesty.
There are a lot of such people nowadays.
Yep. You’d have lefties to the east and lefties to the west, with conservatives in between.
You are very much like Thomas Jefferson. He is one of my favorite Founders. You are dead-on right, of course. The trick is to keep the government out of your own affairs, which is best done by helping to keep it out of everyone’s affairs.
No, they simply lack your vivid imagination.
States did not have the power to enter. They were allowed to join only if the other states agreed to let them in. So if the power to admit states was a power delegated to the United States then wouldn't the power to let them leave also be delegated to the United States as well?
Maybe you should put him on a three dollar bill?
Not once we started enforcing our borders; might even go down by the several million wetbacks who'd find their way home...
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