Very positively.
Certainly I take a very dim view of Gov. Christie's recent remark — evidently intended to disparage The Donald — that Obama's Christianity (or self-identification as a Christian) is "self-evident." ("Nothing to see here, so just move along....")
There is nothing "self-evident" about it at all. Indeed, it seems all the evidence points to the reasonable supposition that he is not.
Plus from his "fruits" (deeds) we find evidence that he is highly sympathetic to the Islamic faith and its causes, and actively defends its claims worldwide; and if he has to sacrifice the national interest in so doing, so be it: "If you want to make an omelette, you've got to break some eggs."
Ergo, to me it seems more likely that Obama is a Muslim than he is a Christian — if we are to judge him by his "fruits."
Excellent article, markomally! Thank you ever so much for posting it.
I agree, Betty. This is a good response by Markomalley, and I would use it.
My quick snappy response would be: “He’s a tare.”
Ergo, to me it seems more likely that Obama is a Muslim than he is a Christian — if we are to judge him by his “fruits.”
It’s the rare more stupid Marxists that even care about religion.. i.e. opiate of the people..
Obama is a Marxist.. (which are also socialists[marxists])..
Like all Marxists HE USES religion to control stupid christians.. AND Muslims.. and _______.
WHY?.. because it works.. when it doesn’t Marxists KILL THEM..
So far it’s WORKING..
*** research: Stalin, Mao, Hitler, various KING’s.. etc.
Exactly right.
Hi markomalley! Hope we might pick up part two of the perplexities surrounding our president as discussed in the excellent essay at the top.
Part 1 was Obama's religion; Part 2 dealt with his citizenship status. So many perplexities!
Which only came to the fore when Gov. Chris Christie demanded a salute from The Donald as to the authenticity of both. In other words, Christie was demanding from The Donald allegiance to, and promotion of, generally prevailing legends that continue to go unexamined let alone explained.
The Donald is no fool. He realized he should not allow himself to be drawn into that double-headed quagmire. He very astutely took a pass instead. And now he's being blamed for not coming to the president's aid!!! With Christie cast into the role of chief blamer!!! Go figure!!!
Anyhoot, I took a stab at Part 1 — Obama's religion, here.
I also have certain unresolved perplexities regarding the Part 2 subject matter, his citizenship status. Recently I've been researching U.S. citizenship issues, mainly through the lens of so-called birthright citizenship. I learned a lot besides, as to how the Supreme Court regards citizenship matters more generally.
There has been a quite recent test of what it means to be a "natural-born citizen" of the United States of America. Ironically, it occurred during the 2008 presidential election, in the face-off between John McCain and Barack Obama.
John McCain's eligibility for POTUS was challenged, on the grounds that he was born in Panama. Therefore, this line of reasoning goes, he is NOT a "natural-born citizen."
But of course, such "reasoners" were trying to conflate "natural-born" with "native-born." John McCain is not a "native-born" citizen, because he was not born on U.S. soil. But the Court found that he was, indeed, a "natural born" American citizen, because he was the child of two American citizens (whether natural-born themselves or naturalized). The Court's reasoning was based in Law-of-Nations and common-law theory, and the U.S. Constitution, not to mention Supreme Court precedent going back to 1873.
What is perplexing is that Barack Obama's citizenship status as "natural-born" was never similarly questioned. Even though he tells us, in Dreams from My Father, that he was born in Kenya. And even though he has relatives there who gave statements to the press that they were present at his birth — in Kenya.
Which would make him a citizen of Kenya, by inheritance from his father. That's how the Law of Nations and the Kenyan government regarded the issue.
But on his mother's side, I have to conclude that he was also a natural-born American citizen; because he was the child of an American citizen, without respect to his actual geographical place of birth.
Which would make Obama the first president in the history of the United States to hold dual citizenship. Which raises an interesting question: To which country of which he is a citizen the country to which he is giving his undivided loyalty and allegiance? Which historically has been the core definition of what it means to be a citizen.
Leave that matter aside for now. What I find additionally perplexing is, if Obama is a natural-born American citizen in the same sense that John McCain is a natural-born citizen, then why all the fuss about constructing the narrative that he was born in Hawaii? And how could such a construction even be possible?
Some odd facts have been reported. Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Stanley, allegedly was at some time employed by the Hawaii department of statistics. I have no details as to what her capacity was there. But the question occurs, did she have access to resources that could have allowed her to construct a passable "official" public record of her grandson, and in particular his place of birth? And, if so, could she have had a motive for doing that?
One might imagine that she was aware of the Kenyan birth of her grandson, and just wanted to make sure he was thoroughly "Americanized."
Assuming such things happened, for all the passibility of the constructed narrative, there still remains the problem of production of an actual, "long-form" birth certificate.
And heaven knows, Obama kept us a long time waiting for that. And when it was finally produced, a number of expert analysts suspected the document was inauthentic, on technical grounds.
It seems every scrap of personal information about Obama is under seal: his academic records, his selective service records, his social security records, passport history, you name it. On the basis of his public-record history, this man doesn't even exist. He is Mr. Anonymous.
So why produce a birth certificate, when he doesn't need to — to attest to a natural-born status which he has already directly inherited from his American mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, from the moment of his birth?
In conclusion, I have more questions than answers. Must leave matters rest there, for now.
Once again, markomalley, thank so very much for your splendid essay/post!