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Is the Defensive Shotgun Still Relevant?
luckygunner.com ^ | 9/24/2015 | Kyle Eggimann

Posted on 09/25/2015 8:38:43 AM PDT by rktman

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To: rktman

Close range? You betcha.


61 posted on 09/25/2015 10:01:18 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to repeal and replace the GOP)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Still got mine!

The feds thank you for that report. So many have been lost in canoeing accidents.

62 posted on 09/25/2015 10:06:40 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: heshtesh
"Purchased a Benelli Nova Tactical, very nice little gun."

VERY nice. Good call.

63 posted on 09/25/2015 10:09:20 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: JimRed
The finishing them off part, while gratifying, gets you locked up for defending yourself.

In some jurisdictions, perhaps, in others, not so much. In my own case [M1911A1 .45 Combat Commander] I was no-billed by the county grand jury less than twelve hours after the shooting, and that was in part because a couple of well-meaning local cops, including the county sheriff, wanted to be certain that I had no post-shooting concerns nor faced any threat from the two accomplices [driver and lookout] who got away; I did not pursue.

It did not hurt matters that I had three witnesses who stated very clearly that they owed their livesto my actions; nor that the two deceased both had criminal records going back 20 years, 56 convictions in all. Nor that they were primary suspects in a previous armed robbery in which a lone victim who fully complied with their demands was beaten nearly to death.

Additionally: my attorney refused any payment for his services. It was a professional courtesy for the public good, so he said.

64 posted on 09/25/2015 10:09:57 AM PDT by archy
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To: rktman
while not a shotgun I just like the sound my home security system makes when I enter the code
65 posted on 09/25/2015 10:13:14 AM PDT by SteveinSATX
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To: rktman
Remington 870 Tactical

Matching set---20 ga and 12ga Browning semis

S&W 357 mag

I feel good.

FMCDH(BITS)

66 posted on 09/25/2015 10:16:16 AM PDT by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I have a pump because it’s idiot proof and very reliable.

Pumps can be short-stroked, especially if the user is injured, or in close-quarters or prone. I like the idea that all I really need is one working finger, either hand, to get off a round.

I have not yet come up with what I figure would be the ideal mechanism for doing so; I've had a different semiauto shotgun about every five years for the last thirty trying to do so, and I ain't there yet. But I've not given up.

Here's where I'm at at present.


67 posted on 09/25/2015 10:16:30 AM PDT by archy
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To: SteveinSATX

Since when does .45, .44 & .357 come in rim fire?


68 posted on 09/25/2015 10:19:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Goldsborough; Secret Agent Man
Felt recoil can be reduced.

Not to .223 levels it can't. But what I was getting at is that I don't mind heavy recoil out of a 12ga. at all, so that's not even a comparative factor between a 12 ga and an AR to me.

Muzzle flash at nighttime is of more a concern to me. Low-recoil *tactical* loads lessen this to some extant, but the real answer is to at least try those loads you might use during periods of limited visiblilty, indoors or out, and finding out if it'll be a problem for you.

69 posted on 09/25/2015 10:21:26 AM PDT by archy
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To: archy

you can use a 20ga instead (still above .223 recoil but not bad)

The main advantages in actual use.

Shotgun - Center Mass hit with even bird shot WILL cause a fairly massive amount of trauma with a multiple would channel.

Very Slightly larger are of impact. No they DO NOT act like a spray gun but a 1.5 inch spread is still bigger than .223 inch spread.

Variable loading, Bird Shot, Small game, Buck, slug each has its advantages and disadvantages.

Mental advantages

Most people think of shotguns, esp the sportier ones as “hunting guns” or even hobby guns (Trap,skeet etc) and thus are easier to buy as a “dual” use vs a dedicated home defender.

IF an intruder is in home and sees a shot gun most will react like they have been taught in movies that it is a street cannon !

IF you ever need to hold some one with out shooting, (best option in many ways) the visual impact of a the front end of a shotgun is well...impressive.


Note Any gun is scary to have pointed at ones person shotguns are both scary and versatile.


70 posted on 09/25/2015 10:35:19 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Bidimus1
IF an intruder is in home and sees a shot gun most will react like they have been taught in movies that it is a street cannon !

Well, at 10 feet away in someone's living room,with #00 buckshot, it darn near is a cannon. Actually, loaded with 1-1/8 oz slugs, it probably is a little cannon.

I would use buckshot at home for defense, but I bought slugs because I just had to try them. Went out and shot some cinder blocks with them. Damn, what a kick.

71 posted on 09/25/2015 10:44:37 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: Bidimus1
you can use a 20ga instead (still above .223 recoil but not bad) . ... .

Note Any gun is scary to have pointed at ones person shotguns are both scary and versatile.


Indeed. The Hillberg/Colt *Defender* was a 20-gauge, meant for our small-framed Asian allies as well as our own troops. The idea still has possibilities. And 20-gauge can be loaded quite heavily as well, with Number 1 buckshot loads that nicely outpenetrate 00 Buck from a 12-gauge.


72 posted on 09/25/2015 10:45:11 AM PDT by archy
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To: rktman

Centurion ammo.
One big ball bearing,
Surrounded by about 15 smaller ones.

Ouch.


73 posted on 09/25/2015 10:45:55 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Obammy is a lie, a mooselimb and pond scum.)
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To: Bidimus1
IF an intruder is in home and sees a shot gun most will react like they have been taught in movies that it is a street cannon !

I can't imagine why?


74 posted on 09/25/2015 10:47:39 AM PDT by archy
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To: Joe Boucher
Centurion ammo.
One big ball bearing,
Surrounded by about 15 smaller ones.

Ouch.

As pioneered and recommended by one George Washington as *buck and ball* for use by the Continental Army in their smoothbore muskets, circa 1775.

75 posted on 09/25/2015 10:51:12 AM PDT by archy
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To: LouAvul
Just being curious-not nosy...which tac light do you have mounted on your GLOCK 19? After market or GLOCK?

I dearly love my 19. 26 as well....

76 posted on 09/25/2015 10:52:24 AM PDT by donozark (Herbicides improve visibility.)
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To: donozark

Glock light.


77 posted on 09/25/2015 10:55:16 AM PDT by LouAvul (Freedom without responsibility is anarchy.)
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To: oh8eleven

***But with all the BLM type BS going on, you never know.***

Reminds me of an old cartoon I saw in 1968 during the black riots.
A white man is cleaning his shotgun and his wife says..

“For heavens sake John, can’t we just put a ‘SOUL BROTHER’ sign in the window like everyone else?”


78 posted on 09/25/2015 10:57:05 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: rktman

Home defense, great.

Portable defense. Not so much. Not the weapon. Ammo.

For traveling or just keeping in vehicle I prefer ar-15. 2 30 rd mags are so much more comforting than the limited magazine capacity of a shotgun. NORMAL limited capacity(for you smart-asses)

I usually travel with the AR loaded with 20 rd mag and 2 30 rd spares. Overkill? Have you watched The Walking Dead? I don’t want to be caught in the Zombie Apocalypse without at least 80 rds.


79 posted on 09/25/2015 11:13:38 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
... can’t we just put a ‘SOUL BROTHER’ sign in the window ...
Korean store owners used "Seoul Brother" signs :)
80 posted on 09/25/2015 11:15:06 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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