Posted on 11/30/2015 10:54:11 AM PST by wagglebee
He shot people in the parking lot of PP. He couldn’t get to the employees in PP because the successfully implemented their security procedures.
Okay my question is on what evidence do you come to the conclusion that he planned to attack planned parenthood and was stopped by security procedures?
Thanks.
Let's say that is true. Then it would jive with reports that he wasn't randomly killing people inside the PP clinic, nor attacking the PP clinic. He had run in there to escape police.
One report was that the whole thing started 30 minutes before he even entered the clinic.
I’m providing sourced news reports.
If the comments in those sources have been disproven, just show me. I’m from Missouri.
Sometimes early reports are errant. Sometimes they are the truth and later reports are lies made up to cover for something.
I’m trying to get to the truth, and that involves having correct and incorrect info sorted out. So I appreciate any help you can give.
Let me ask you this:
Why do you think the Police have thrown a GAG ORDER around this whole debacle ?
Let’s say that is true? There is video interviews supporting both things I stated.
And I know you really, really, don’t want it to be a PP thing. But it is.
He was shooting people in a unique parking lot, outside of a PP. It isn’t a comingled parking lot with other businesses. But a PP parking lot.
He was setting up “items” outside of the building. Also news reported and police confirmed that all of those items were no longer a threat.
He carried items inside of the PP building. Again reported and police confirmed that those items were no longer a threat.
Both DouglasKC and I said he didn't shoot people inside the clinic. You have done nothing with your comment but confirm that.
Ergo, it's hard for me to tell what your words "NOT TRUE" meant.
You have both tried to insist that it wasn’t an attack on PP because he didn’t shoot people inside PP.
He was attacking PP, you are just being silly in trying to say that isn’t true because he couldn’t shoot anyone inside the building.
But you just said a woman inside the PP clinic said that HE was shooting out the window at people in the parking lot. Obviously he could have shot her, if he wanted to kill people INSIDE the PP clinic.
I NEVER SAID THAT! I said a woman inside PP saw him shooting (she was looking at him through the window). She saw him for a few moments until she retreated to a safe place inside the building that he couldn’t access.
And what you stated is that people inside the clinic said he was shooting out the window at people in the parking lot.
What you have not mentioned is that the people in the parking lot were anti-abortion protesters. Unless you believe that huge crowds like to hang out in front of the abortion clinics for some other reason.
According to a news report I read, they have protests there almost every day.
SO... if this guy was trying to kill anyone, it was the ANTI-ABORTION crowd, not the PP staff or hostages inside (as you already stated is true) that he actually shot (and some cops).
Where did I say this?
What you have not mentioned is that the people in the parking lot were anti-abortion protesters.
Wrong. He was shooting people who had brought people to the clinic: man who was shot and fled to King Soopers; man who was killed; woman who was killed. All three had brought people to PP, were there supporting them.
No, you don't know any such thing. I just want the truth. If your theory is true, and there is proof, I have no problem accepting it. So why didn't he shoot the lady that was there with him watching him shoot people in the parking lot ?
She wasn’t there with him. She was inside the building, and was looking at him shooting people (she was looking at him through a window. She was inside. He was outside). She saw this for a moment, and fled to a safe room further inside the building.
OK, so now you provide more details. Thanks for the belated info.
He was outside shooting at people in the parking lot.
Were there any police in the parking lots shooting at him ?
People who brought people to the clinic were sitting outside in their cars.
Normally I would call you on that, but I’m pretty sure that PP clinics will not allow any guests/visitors.
She only described seeing him shoot. She describes rooms being locked and finding one that wasn’t locked with someone else in it and hiding there.
The man who lived gave media interviews and said that is what he was doing (brought someone to the clinic)! He was sitting in his car, Dear walked up, looked right at him, and shot at him through the windshield. He was not actually shot, but the windshield shattered, sending glass into his face.
The family of the man who was killed has stated he was inside the building and had stepped outside to get better phone signal and he was shot. He was there because he had brought someone to the clinic.
The woman that was killed had brought someone to the clinic and was there to support them.
Yeah... I got it. My post occurred before your explanation.
She was inside, he was outside. He shot people sitting in their cars because they brought people to the PP clinic. (say that to yourself and see if it sounds as ridiculous as it does to me).
You also said(or implied) that the reason he shot people out in the parking lot was because the PP staff went and hid in a safe room. Which counters the fact that he was outside and they weren’t (at least the lady you mentioned wasn’t) in the safe room when he shot them.
Can you explain that ?
I did not say or imply that the reason he shot people in the parking lot was because staff hid.
Thanks. I really do appreciate you contributing this information. You are helping us all get to the truth.
What would help settle the debate is whether this STARTED at the PP clinic or not. Why the GAG ORDER ? Why reports it started down the street at the BANK ?
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