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Why Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz's Tax Plans Generate More Growth than Donald Trump's
Tax Foundation ^ | 2/26/2016 | Alan Cole

Posted on 03/04/2016 11:42:01 PM PST by JediJones

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To: Carry_Okie

Doors can be closed. But first you have to have a door.


61 posted on 03/05/2016 7:20:34 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: oldvirginian
Once an illegal *steps onto the physical property* they are then on Mexican soil. That is their *return* to Mexico.

That's a good one I hadn't considered. It does have the proper stench.

62 posted on 03/05/2016 7:22:34 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Bryanw92
The politician is a skilled liar, spender of other people’s money, maker of big promises.

I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. - Donald Trump, The Art of the Deal, 1987.


63 posted on 03/05/2016 7:25:08 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: grey_whiskers
You know better than that. Follow the link in post #49 this thread.

The post to which I responded was simply an attack. As to your "magnum opus" (which has very little to do with Trump), I'll see that and raise you this.

I'm not impressed. Deal with the facts and you'll get respect. Fliing attacks and you'll get to eat them.

64 posted on 03/05/2016 7:32:50 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie
T'sk t'sk.

It wasn't a magnum opus. But an example that I don't do mindless attacks.

Give me 5-10 min to get coffee (out of Keurig -- received as a gift, btw) so I'll have to get instant and wipe the "clouds in my coffee" out of my mustache when I'm done. BRB.

65 posted on 03/05/2016 7:35:06 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: central_va
Doors can be closed. But first you have to have a door.

So? The point is what happens after the door is built. Cruz builds a fence, puts on the squeeze, and ties immigration, all immigration, to the unemployment rate. The bottom line is that I don't believe Donald Trump has any intention of doing what you believe he says. Nor should you. They guy is a weasel.

66 posted on 03/05/2016 7:36:44 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: grey_whiskers
But an example that I don't do mindless attacks.

Yes, you do. Just because you did a little work somewhere else does not mitigate what you did here. Deal with the content. If you have an analysis that indicates otherwise, please post it. Your problem will be that this one is similar to several others.

67 posted on 03/05/2016 7:39:22 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie
That wasn't mindless. It was biting sarcasm; and humorous in intent.

If I'd intended it to be mindless, I'd have gone over the top in beating everyone over the head with using names.

Remember Bill Mauldin and his "Willie and Joe" cartoons in Stars and Stripes: "I build a shoe. If somebody wants to put it on and loudly announce that it fits, that's their business."

I read your vanity btw. I simply don't have the time right now to do a detailed dissection, but I will cut-and-paste some thoughts and/or commentary. Would you prefer said comments on that post's original thread, or here?

68 posted on 03/05/2016 7:46:56 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Carry_Okie

“No, he won’t. He’ll build a wall and the door will be so big it will be irrelevant.”

We’ll find out soon enough...


69 posted on 03/05/2016 7:50:09 AM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: mtrott

“It would not be similar to existing sales taxes, or the VATs in Europe, because it would not be levied on a transaction-by-transaction basis.” Emphasis on the word, “not”.

I’ll be the first to admit I am not clear on all the various permutations of tax plans, but it does seem clear that the Trumpeters tend to dogmatically characterize the Cruz plan as being “just like” the European VAT taxes.


And, like ALL things govt, they left out the most important part of that sentence: “...at first.”

No VAT, no more hidden taxes. Just get out of our pockets/wallet/purchases/paychecks/etc.

Follow the Constitution THEN come back to us on the ‘cost’.


70 posted on 03/05/2016 8:32:40 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Carry_Okie

>>I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. - Donald Trump, The Art of the Deal, 1987.

I read that too. But remember the purpose of the “deal”. It was to accomplish something. Trump enters into a negotiation promising big things to build up the imagination. Then, he starts negotiating and so does the other party.

Ever buy a car?? They start out telling you that they can find a way to get you the car you want at the price you are willing to pay and the can probably throw in free floor mats. Then, the “deal” starts. In the end, you get your car, they make their profit. You might be paying a bit more than you initially wanted, but its within your budget and EVERYONE WINS.

The politician ENDS at the expectation and the promise. If they don’t deliver, then you can’t sue them. If the car dealer changes the sales contract after you drive away, do you just say, “Well, he is a car dealer. I expected to get screwed. I’ll shop there again because he promised me some REALLY GREAT STUFF.”

If you can’t see the difference between the negotiations leading up to a successful business deal and the lies that a politician will tell to get your vote, then you might be a part of the establishment.


71 posted on 03/05/2016 8:59:00 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Tax-chick
I'm puzzled as to why anyone is analyzing these 'tax plans,' when none of them has a snowball's chance of being enacted in law, regardless of the election outcome.

Well, to be fair, two of the people making these proposals are actually sitting US Senators whom, if I remember right, could actually propose these plans right now. In fact, both plans could indeed be through committees before November.

While I generally agree that there's little chance for any tax plan to make it through congress, I can guarantee that plans that are never submitted are absolutely never going to get passed.

72 posted on 03/05/2016 9:17:41 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: BobL
We'll find out soon enough...

Spoken like a lemming headed to a cliff.

73 posted on 03/05/2016 9:20:11 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Yep, everyone but you...’the enlightened’.


74 posted on 03/05/2016 9:22:38 AM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: JediJones

None of this matters if we don’t get the debt and deficit under control. If we don’t we Default on the Debt,
No amount of growth will help unless these issues are addressed.


75 posted on 03/05/2016 9:23:13 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: kingu

That’s a point. Bernie Sanders is a sitting Senator, too. He could give his proposals a legislative innings.

I think that the way the discussion is framed, however, is partaking philosophically of the concept of one-man rule, a President who’s in charge of everything, rather than in charge of as little as possible. That’s not the government our Founders were after.


76 posted on 03/05/2016 9:23:48 AM PST by Tax-chick (Support Ted Cruz! He might not be as bad as the other available choices!)
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To: Bryanw92
You might be paying a bit more than you initially wanted, but its within your budget and EVERYONE WINS.

Tell that to the people Trump stiffed in bankruptcy. If you call that "winning" I don't want it.

If they don't deliver, then you can't sue them.

You can fire a politician. Try suing Trump. Your playing field is rather tilted in the direction favoring legal capital.

If you can’t see the difference between the negotiations leading up to a successful business deal and the lies that a politician will tell to get your vote, then you might be a part of the establishment.

I see a lot better than that. Henry Lamb (if you know who he was) said it would be fifty years before people appreciated what I'd written.

77 posted on 03/05/2016 9:24:28 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: JediJones

Where did they put the cost of the wars?


78 posted on 03/05/2016 9:25:37 AM PST by ex-snook ( God is love.)
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To: Carry_Okie

>>I see a lot better than that. Henry Lamb (if you know who he was) said it would be fifty years before people appreciated what I’d written.

What did you write?


79 posted on 03/05/2016 9:59:14 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: EternalVigilance

I just woke up from working the night shift. I’m drinking my coffee, doing my homework you sent.

Will get back to you.


80 posted on 03/05/2016 10:00:12 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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