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China loses South China Sea claim in ruling at The Hague
The Australian ^ | JULY 12, 2016

Posted on 07/12/2016 2:50:01 AM PDT by Dundee

China has no legal basis to claim “historic rights” to islands in the South China Sea, an international tribunal ruled on Tuesday in a bitter dispute that risks stoking further tensions in Southeast Asia.

“The Tribunal concluded that there was no legal basis for China to claim historic rights within the sea areas falling within the ‘nine-dash line’,” the Hague-based Permanent Court of Arbitration said in a statement.

It has dealt a setback to Beijing that the US fears could intensify moves to establish its control by force.

How Beijing responds to the ruling in the case filed by US ally the Philippines could chart the course of global power relations in an increasingly dangerous hotspot. It comes as the US has ramped up its military presence in the region and could seek to marshal world opinion to pressure Beijing into complying with the verdict. A new Philippine leader who appears friendlier to Beijing could also influence the aftermath of the ruling....

Findings of the tribunal are binding on the parties, including China. But the court — without police or military forces or a system of sanctions at its disposal — can’t enforce its ruling, so its potential impact remains unclear.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.com.au ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; southchinasea
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1 posted on 07/12/2016 2:50:01 AM PDT by Dundee
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To: Dundee
"A new Philippine leader who appears friendlier to Beijing could also influence the aftermath of the ruling...."

This won't happen if they want to have a 'friendlier' ...next President.

2 posted on 07/12/2016 2:56:27 AM PDT by Mr Apple ( google clinton national security scandal and coverup / google alamo-girl.com)
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To: Dundee

They won’t care. They will ignore it


3 posted on 07/12/2016 3:01:32 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Dundee
God does not work only with WASPS and Americans ... HE's got a pretty soft spot for the Philippines, too.

Enter Duterte.

4 posted on 07/12/2016 3:04:08 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true ... and it ticks people off)
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To: Dundee
Well!

That's that then.

5 posted on 07/12/2016 3:13:00 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: skimbell

They can have California.


6 posted on 07/12/2016 3:40:09 AM PDT by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prison 2016)
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To: Dundee

The Hague has no authority.


7 posted on 07/12/2016 3:40:11 AM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

“The Hague has no authority.”

A bunch of elitists telling the world what to do. Their mouths are writing checks their butts can’t cash.

But 0bama will get us sucked into it before Christmas, and it will cost American lives and money.


8 posted on 07/12/2016 3:47:12 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Nifster

The Chinese will militarily ignore it, but this knocks off any moral camouflage they tried to attach


9 posted on 07/12/2016 3:55:58 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Dundee

As if China is in any mood to abide by some old Euro colonial masters who tell them where China’s territory is or isn’t.


10 posted on 07/12/2016 4:05:08 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: knarf

How can you just up and build an island in the sea? I mean, what has the weather been like there for years? A tidal wave can up and wipe it out in minutes. It could happen.


11 posted on 07/12/2016 4:10:38 AM PDT by nikos1121 (A Trump presidency will be like The Golden Age of Pericles in Greece)
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To: Dundee

Good

America now must make clear we will stand up to any Chinese aggression against the Philippians or any other our allies.


12 posted on 07/12/2016 4:13:48 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade ( America's Party! Tom Hoefling/Steve Schulin 2016)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

How many divisions has the Pope?


13 posted on 07/12/2016 4:37:04 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (The 2nd Amendment immediately follows the 1st because some people are hard of hearing...)
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To: nikos1121

Just found themselves a shallow atoll and started dumping rocks on it.


14 posted on 07/12/2016 4:37:25 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true ... and it ticks people off)
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To: nikos1121
A tidal wave can up and wipe it out in minutes. It could happen.

How high is the wake of a Nimitz-class carrier at full speed?

15 posted on 07/12/2016 4:38:30 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (The 2nd Amendment immediately follows the 1st because some people are hard of hearing...)
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To: Dundee

The ruling is the death knell of the court

having no means to enforce the judgement, the court is shown to be a farce


16 posted on 07/12/2016 4:42:14 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

>>The Hague has no authority.

Actually, they do. China signed and ratified the treaty placing them under the Hague’s boot-heel.


17 posted on 07/12/2016 5:41:10 AM PDT by vikingd00d (nulla seruitus turpior est quam uoluntaria -- Seneca)
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To: Dundee

China will just ignore this. Like their pets, the Clintons, laws are for little peoples.


18 posted on 07/12/2016 5:48:12 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: wrench; TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed
“The Hague has no authority.”

Not exactly, a treaty established the Permanent Court of Arbitration. If you signed the treaty, you agreed to be bound by its decisions. China did, so they normally would accept their judgement.

The Chicoms agreed to arbitration, if they renege then things get dangerous.

Since WWII we have had very few overt interstate wars. The Falklands, the Arab-Israeli Wars, and the Indo-Pakistani Wars come to mind, all of which were limited in scope or geography.

Most other major wars have either a thin veneer of "civil war" (Korea, Vietnam, multiple African Wars) and/or a thin veneer of international approval (Korea, Persian Gulf, Iraq, Afghanistan 2000s), or are legitimate internal conflicts.

If China effectively tells the court, and the world at large, to go pound sand they set themselves on a potential collision course against Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan. As well as two longstanding major U.S. interests: freedom of navigation (1/3 of global shipping) and the independence of the Philippines. (Obama thought he could appease the Chinese, but they see him as weak, so they keep ramping up the pressure.)

What keeps bothering me is why? and why now? China is a land animal, they are investing in both a blue water navy and an expensive and aggressive campaign to seize the South China Sea. This risks a general war in eastern Asia.

My fear is that the Chicoms think the alternative is worse. There are intense social, economic and political pressures at play in China. But as a mostly closed society, we cant see how they are interacting. My fear is that the Chicoms are turning to external expansion to vent internal pressures. China has spent most of the last three hundred years in a semi-constant state of civil war (the last being the Cultural Revolution, which was a weird, but IMHO a real civil war.) I admit this is speculation, but Obama's weakness has provided this opportunity to China.

19 posted on 07/12/2016 5:49:46 AM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.)
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To: Dundee

Let the fun begin.


20 posted on 07/12/2016 6:02:04 AM PDT by servantboy777
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