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The shipping industry sinks as global trade slows
Marketplace Business News ^ | August 31, 2016 | 11:12 AM | Ashley Milne-Tyte

Posted on 08/31/2016 9:31:00 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Today a big Korean shipping company called Hanjin declared bankruptcy. It may be far away, but that move is a testament to an industry in trouble.

Volume is way down all over the world as trade remains sluggish. Add to that the fact that just as demand wanes, a whole load of new vessels come online, and there’s a problem.

Shipping hit a crisis in 2008 as demand for goods plunged. It’s never fully returned. John Butler is CEO of the World Shipping Council. He said after the financial crisis, when oil prices were spiking, “There was an expectation that the global economy would come back much more strongly than it did. A lot of companies took what was then a rational decision to build more, larger, newer ships.”

Which ultimately they’ve never filled. So now he said they can’t command their usual shipping rates and they’re suffering. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: cargo; containerships; economy; financialcrisis; fiscalcliff; hanjin; shipping; trade

1 posted on 08/31/2016 9:31:00 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I have noticed the price of shipping containers has dropped 500 to 600 dollars from a year ago.


2 posted on 08/31/2016 9:36:14 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Olog-hai
Used to see lots of Hanjin containers at the San Pedro port.

Not so much anymore.

3 posted on 08/31/2016 9:56:33 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
Finally! I can now afford to build my shipping container dream house...


4 posted on 08/31/2016 9:58:42 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Olog-hai

The downside of capitalism is that it is addicted to growth. This is easy to understand, since growth requires a lot of production, from which a lot of people profit. When growth slackens, it’s the end of the world.

I might add, that the upside of capitalism is that it is always looking for new areas to grow into, and finding them. Our entire modern world including computers and telephones, and extending to the incredible Google and Facebook empires, would be unthinkable without it.

It can be tough when you’re in shipping containers, though.

The beat goes on.


5 posted on 08/31/2016 9:59:16 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Olog-hai

Bump for later.


6 posted on 08/31/2016 10:16:28 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Wed. a relative said this was his dream shipping container home.

http://offgridsurvival.com/mobileshippingcontainerhome/


7 posted on 08/31/2016 10:18:05 PM PDT by Daaave ("Say hey good lookin' Whatcha got cookin'?")
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Storage shed in the back yard, bunker under ground, maybe. To make into a livable home, they sure take a lot of money and work. There's already a huge industry for mobile homes, and they pretty much got it down to a science. And they'll deliver it and hook it all up for you in a day.


8 posted on 08/31/2016 10:30:18 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (All the days of my life were written in your book before there was one of them!)
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To: Olog-hai

Very interesting. Thanks for posting


9 posted on 09/01/2016 1:10:44 AM PDT by onona (Honey this isn't Kindergarten. We are in an all out war for the survival of our Country !)
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To: Olog-hai

The Baltic Dry Index has been down for at least five years with a lot of shipping capacity idled. Building new ships made no sense.


10 posted on 09/01/2016 2:13:54 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

AAAhh, the long awaited return of the eight wide trailer in a fixed site version.


11 posted on 09/01/2016 2:52:07 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: Olog-hai

I read an article titled something like, “The coming collapse of globalization.” (There are hundreds of articles with similar titles on a Google search.) There are so many things wrong with the many economies that it is hard to pick a starting place. The fact that nations are keeping the interest rate at zero means that governments can borrow money for their favorite agendas for free and call it “investment.” But investments should be self-paying. You borrow to build a dam and it pays for itself by producing power. Instead they are building high speed rail between places people don’t want to go, or whole cities that nobody lives in, or “wind” farms that never pay for themselves. So, that money becomes debt for the future children to pay off even though they will see no benefit from it.

Another issue is manufacturing. It is getting cheaper to do it mechanically or with printing than to use cheap labor. Also, world demand is declining. Once everybody has a 60 inch TV, an internet connection, an iPhone and salad shooter, a bigger one, a faster one, or one that adds bacon bits automatically really won’t cause manufacturing to surge.

Another problem is demographics. The older economies are full of older people who don’t consume TV’s and cars as much as Depends and high fiber serial. The growing populations centers are in the third world who add only murder, rapes and chaos. They consume guns and explosives, probably the last thing you’d want to sell them as they will use them on you.

So, we enter what are potentially the hardest times seen since World War II with generally incompetent leaders (Obama, Merkle, and anybody running France.) and a load of debt that will stymie development and growth for a century or more. The harbinger of this is that global shipping is declining. The worst part is, in the past governments have gone to war to take their voter’s minds off the economy and to have a reason to enforce policies they couldn’t have otherwise; gun control, calorie control, smoking control (except for pot, which will be subsidized.)


12 posted on 09/01/2016 4:58:25 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (`)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

It makes sense if you’re betting on TPP and the like.


13 posted on 09/01/2016 6:32:14 AM PDT by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: Gen.Blather

that... really sucks...

:-(


14 posted on 09/01/2016 6:49:09 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: AFreeBird

Possibly. I was in Turkey down on the coast three years ago and was taken aback by how many ships were anchored down there waiting for a cargo. Anecdotal I know, but there was a F.R. thread on idled ships in Asia that took me aback also. The industry is hurting.


15 posted on 09/01/2016 7:13:23 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: dr_lew
The downside of capitalism is that it is addicted to growth.

Growth comes from innovation. There is no downside to innovation.

16 posted on 09/01/2016 10:21:03 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Building the new ships made sense only because the newer ships were bigger and offered more capacity. It’s sort of like having a perfectly good tractor-trailer with a top speed of 60 mph and a weight limit of 40,000 pounds. It might make a lot of sense to buy another one of the top speed is 70 mph and the weight limit is 48,000 lb.


17 posted on 09/01/2016 12:51:35 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Only if you can fill it with cargo.


18 posted on 09/01/2016 2:25:46 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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