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1 posted on 10/12/2016 11:32:43 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against, then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures.

Were after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it.

There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there it that for anyone?

But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted,and you create a nation of lawbreakers, and then you cash in.

Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.

Atlas Shrugged

2 posted on 10/12/2016 11:39:06 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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I don’t even bother recycling, though my wife has a fetish about it. It’s a pain in the ass, washing out containers and removing plastic bits and labels.


3 posted on 10/12/2016 11:43:53 AM PDT by brianr10 (I'm more equal than everyone.)
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Okay....as much as I hate government overreach, this article is a gross misrepresentation.

I lived in Michigan. They charge a ten cent DEPOSIT on each bottle or can sold. When you return them you are reclaiming your DEPOSIT. By bringing in a bunch of cans from out of state you are stealing money that is owed to customers who bought those products.

This has always been illegal in Michigan, and has absolutely nothing to do with “improper recycling”.


5 posted on 10/12/2016 11:45:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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8 posted on 10/12/2016 11:49:58 AM PDT by lacrew
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I read that several years ago, a Congressional committee asked the DOJ for a list of regulations that required jail time. (Regulations, not laws.) Such regulations would include a prison sentence for catching too many red-fish or fish out of season, or disturbing tortoise eggs or a land tortoise. The tortoise regulation penalty in Florida, for example, is one year in jail and a $10,000 fine. This penalty would even include moving them out of the road and onto the verge.

The DOJ responded that there were hundreds of thousands of such regulations and that they occurred at every level of government, city, county, state, etc. There was no practical way to list them or count them.

Fines are enforced by taking your driver’s license until you pay. In Florida there is a $500 license reinstatement fee. I read in California, the only state I could find a number for, that 1.3 million driver’s licenses have been revoked for failing to pay a fine.


9 posted on 10/12/2016 11:49:58 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (`)
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Meh. I burn my paper and plastic, throw the food scraps in a compost pile, and dump the glass and metal in public trash cans. I pay county income tax in the county in which I work (but don’t live). I figure I might as well get SOMETHING out of it.

I have not paid for garbage service for over 5 years.

On a side note, as soon as I saw this guy was taking cans to a state where they pay you more, the first thing I thought was, “isn’t that illegal?”

The reason is simple: They are paying you back what you paid when you bought the soda. If you bring the cans from out of state, they are paying you “back” something you never paid. So the law protects them from “big” scammers, which this guy was.


16 posted on 10/12/2016 12:09:32 PM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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I suppose if you bring in 9,900 bottles at a time, then you are guilty of structuring.

-PJ

20 posted on 10/12/2016 12:15:17 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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The only recycling that makes sense to me whatsoever is metal. It’s a finite resource that shouldn’t be wasted. But glass is made of sand. Plastic is easier and cheaper to make new than to recycle. Paper is renewable since trees can be regrown. The less demand for tree farms the more land will be permanently desstroyed for housing develpoments.


32 posted on 10/12/2016 12:34:55 PM PDT by Phillyred
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The only recycling that makes sense to me whatsoever is metal. It’s a finite resource that shouldn’t be wasted. But glass is made of sand. Plastic is easier and cheaper to make new than to recycle. Paper is renewable since trees can be regrown. The less demand for tree farms the more land will be permanently desstroyed for housing develpoments.


33 posted on 10/12/2016 12:34:57 PM PDT by Phillyred
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One of my favorite example of 'felony sprawl' is the fact that just about every elderly person in America who uses one of those day-of-week pill containers is committing a felony. They can lock you up for 20 years.

That sounds like the appropriate punishment for attempting to make sure you are taking daily medication in the prescribed dosages. How dare them!

35 posted on 10/12/2016 12:41:12 PM PDT by zeugma (Welcome to the "interesting times" you were warned about.)
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There are so many laws known and unknown that we are all criminals.


39 posted on 10/12/2016 1:44:46 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
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seeking to capitalize on Michigan’s generous 10 cents-per-bottle refund program. He stood to make $1,000.
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As it turned out, transporting more than 10,000 bottles into Michigan with the intent to collect a deposit is a felony. …

Stealing $1000.00 in more traditional ways is also a felony.

41 posted on 10/12/2016 1:48:20 PM PDT by NorthMountain (Hillary Clinton: corrupt unreliable negligent traitor)
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Note to self. Only pack 9999 bottles to Michigan


44 posted on 10/12/2016 3:19:34 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Hillary Clinton, the elderly woman's version of "I dindu nuffins.")
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When the gestapo enforcers are worried about returning home in bodybags, the gestapo “law” will not be enforced.

Or as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn said more eloquently than me:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”


49 posted on 10/12/2016 5:22:21 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Trump will give us 80% of what we want, while hillary will take 100% of what we have)
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